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re: About kids going to dumpster fire schools: GWIII
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:31 pm to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:31 pm to Meauxjeaux
does anyone REALLY think that UF is going to be a dumpster fire for the next 3 or 4 years? 
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:32 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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98% of the kids in the NFL are BORN that way, not MADE that way
bullshite is right. Playing in the SEC against best competition in college football and playing for n elite program and practicing against future NFL players and receiving quality coaching every day is what prepares these kids for the NFL. Size and speed can only take you so far.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:10 pm to Meauxjeaux
I especially hate how people talk about Florida being a "dumpster fire" when it comes to putting DL in the NFL.
You'd have to be blind or ignorant to think that just by looking at the data. LSU is definitely better at putting DL in the NFL since Muschamp has arrived, but Florida's been no slouch -- Jaye Howard in 2012, Sharrif Floyd in 2013, and they're projected to send Dominique Easley in 2014 and Leon Orr and Dante Fowler Jr. beyond that. Florida's a good place to go if you're an elite defensive lineman looking to make it in the League.
You'd have to be blind or ignorant to think that just by looking at the data. LSU is definitely better at putting DL in the NFL since Muschamp has arrived, but Florida's been no slouch -- Jaye Howard in 2012, Sharrif Floyd in 2013, and they're projected to send Dominique Easley in 2014 and Leon Orr and Dante Fowler Jr. beyond that. Florida's a good place to go if you're an elite defensive lineman looking to make it in the League.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:18 pm to lsutothetop
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Zach Abolverdi@ZachAbolverdi Source close to new #Gators commit Gerald Willis III tells me he will not enroll early at #UF as planned.
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Zach Abolverdi@ZachAbolverdi Gerald Willis III not enrolling early at #UF has nothing to do with the status of his commitment. He is solid to the #Gators, not wavering.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:23 pm to Meauxjeaux
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You guys that think WHERE a kid goes to school has any affect of maybe more than 10% of WHERE a kid goes in the draft are retarded.
I don't completely agree because if a Kid goes to a better exposure D-1 school like LSU and plays stiffer competition and shows he can handle it at that level, IMO, those skills translate better to the NFL. If they go to another school that plays lesser talented teams, Scouts may believe they can do it against the big boys in the NFL but are taking a shot in the dark. That's a lot of money to risk on potential vs hard facts and evidence based opinions.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:42 pm to Meauxjeaux
A guy could go to one school and play out of position because the scheme requires it and still be too raw entering the polls. Some guys would be better on defense but were placed on offense for an example because the kids were dying to play it. There are very few 5 stars that go first round, think somebody did it over the last few years and it was like 3 on average. Are you telling me that DAT and Archer would be more utilized on our offense than their own? QBs that were changed to DBs and WRs and RBs who were changed to LBs, doesn't happen for every team and you could be stuck learning a position you are not talented enough to play.
Point being, these guys going to other places could mean good or bad. Maybe some guys are like what you said, but don't paint a broad brush. You downplay the importance of coaches that way.
Point being, these guys going to other places could mean good or bad. Maybe some guys are like what you said, but don't paint a broad brush. You downplay the importance of coaches that way.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If CRob went to ULM he could still be a first round pick. That said, schools do and should promote stuff like that. Bama's had a bunch of OLmen drafted so they should sell that, just like LSU should do the same with DB's and DL etc.
You do not know that. Seantrel Henderson is a GREAT example of this. Dude was said to be a once in a decade type OT. He's been benched many times and just can't seem to get right.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:51 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Peterson goes top 5-6 no matter he goes to school.
You don't know this and I question you guys reasoning skills.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:55 pm to Datbayoubengal
To go from a winning program like Karr, to Florida who lost to Georgia Southern and couldn't even make the Beef O' Brady's Bowl.. I'm sure he can still make the NFL from there, but it won't be a fun ride
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:56 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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bullshite. You pick out one guy from Ball fricking State to try to make a point and forget that LSU has 50 some odd players in the NFL right now. There is no comparison. There is no way all 50 of those guys go to the NFL if they play for a 'dumpster fire' school. #1 they would not have gotten the exposure, and #2, they would not have recived better coaching.
Use LSU's WRs for a perfect example. How many schools can you say have actually put more WRs in the top 3 rounds the last 6 years? They fact that people think just going to any school would have transpired in the same way makes me want to eat my hand.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:01 pm to Meauxjeaux
No shite. Is anyone really saying he won't be a talent there? I think more people are just wondering why he wouldn't want to go somewhere that will win a lot of games.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:04 pm to dstone12
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does anyone REALLY think that UF is going to be a dumpster fire for the next 3 or 4 years?
Next year they have mucnhchamp and another terrible offense, next year a new guy will come in and they could go straight the Tennessee route. Did you think Tennessee would still be as horrible as they are now? A wrong coaching hire can send a program back 3-4 years and that is a lifetime in how your school is perceived.
Since 2010 (Meyer's last year
8-5
7-6
11-2
4-8
If Miles had done that, you guys would have had his head on a pike. The fact that somebody could go on and on about how we are weak an in decline and then then just because UF went 11-2 last year that they are so great, baffles the mind. They beat us last year because we had no offense. (No Cam, no Hill).
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:54 pm to Meauxjeaux
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98% of the kids in the NFL are BORN that way, not MADE that way.
well, damn....there goes that "coach'em up" theory we hear so much about on this board."
as to the above point...correct. dna, discipline, desire...two you get from your folks, the latter is all about you.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:09 pm to Meauxjeaux
Where are 504Soulja's comments on this?
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:46 pm to Datbayoubengal
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they could go straight the Tennessee route.
The difference is Fla is one of the top recruiting states in the country and Tenn is not. Its highly competitive in Fla, but a decent coach can do better at Fla than he could at Tenn just because of the local talent. Fla is a much more attractive job, so they should have better options to choose from.
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Did you think Tennessee would still be as horrible as they are now?
Not exactly, but I did and still do think they'd have a tougher time getting back to the level they were in during the 90's than Fla. I did not get the hype about Kiffen and Dooley was a real head scratcher. I like Butch Jones and think he can do well there, but not mid late 90's good. Yes, the coaching hire matters, WM was a mistake for Fla, but I think they'd have a better chance to get back than Tenn.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:56 pm to Datbayoubengal
all good points, but I can't see UF being a dumpster fire. they aren't UT, where they have to recruit, regionally.
also can't see them as not having a great defense in those upcoming years; which is not directly your point, but still worth noting.
also can't see them as not having a great defense in those upcoming years; which is not directly your point, but still worth noting.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The difference is Fla is one of the top recruiting states in the country and Tenn is not. Its highly competitive in Fla, but a decent coach can do better at Fla than he could at Tenn just because of the local talent. Fla is a much more attractive job, so they should have better options to choose from.
Yeah but FSU is on the rise and it's thanks to the banner ad that Jameis Winston is. Also, Miami is possibly coming out of the dark ages and will push for state recruits now. They will have a harder go it if they look like crap next year and they fire Will.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:26 pm to Meauxjeaux
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You guys that think WHERE a kid goes to school has any affect of maybe more than 10% of WHERE a kid goes in the draft are retarded.
Retarded? No, just a lot more familiar with the way the NFL draft works than a moron like you. Kids who play at top schools that get in more big games are able to put together game tape of themselves competing against other top NFL bound talent. Because of this the small school guys are often looked on as question marks or projects, instead of sure bets, and this absolutely drops them in the draft. Look at some of the small school guys on the Saints. Marcus Colston, Jahri Evans, Junior Gallette, Akiem Hicks, Khiry Robinson and Terron Armstead were small school guys who were drafted in later rounds (if at all). Had they played at an SEC school they all would have been drafted in the first three rounds. Production against top competition makes a huge difference in the NFL draft evaluations, and that's one reason top high school recruits want to go to all the top camps and take offers from the top schools.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:26 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Yeah but FSU is on the rise and it's thanks to the banner ad that Jameis Winston is. Also, Miami is possibly coming out of the dark ages and will push for state recruits now. They will have a harder go it if they look like crap next year and they fire Will.
FSU won won 2 NC's, played for 2 others, won 11 games, played in a BCS level bowl 13 times and finished ranked in the top 4 EVERY season from 1987-2000.
Spurrier was hired by UF in 1990 and built them into a powerhouse, winning a NC and playing for another. Miami was also a power during part of that time (early 90's, early 2000s). There's more than enough talent in Florida for both FSU and UF to be great. Miami is improving, but they are mostly a threat in So Fla.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:30 pm to scottynola
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No, just a lot more familiar with the way the NFL draft works than a moron like you. Kids who play at top schools that get in more big games are able to put together game tape of themselves competing against other top NFL bound talent. Because of this the small school guys are often looked on as question marks or projects, instead of sure bets, and this absolutely drops them in the draft
Doesn't sound like you are as familiar with the draft as you claim. Big schools get more top HS players, that's why they send more guys to the NFL or maybe you forgot about this guy?
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