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Posted on 12/19/09 at 5:12 pm to Gen Patton
Gen Patton, I'm not going to lie, no one gives a shite about CHS other than grads like you and lynx due to the fact that the only high D1 football players on their roster right now are Oliver and possibly Duvall. Everyone else you've mentioned has limited potential at best
Posted on 12/19/09 at 6:18 pm to Gen Patton
No. Not Nelson. You know why? Nelson is a white wide reciever. I don't know anything about him but I know that most colleges will avoid him due to that. No major programs would want a white kid to play wideout when there's a wealth of athletes that are black and better fit the mold of a college reciever. It's sad but true. We need to stick to o-line, linebacker, fullback, and QB and leave the skill positions to the black guys.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 6:22 pm to olomgamer231
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No. Not Nelson. You know why? Nelson is a white wide reciever. I don't know anything about him but I know that most colleges will avoid him due to that.
its sad because it shouldnt be on the color of skin but talent. All people,black or white,yellow or blue, should be given equal opportunities to go after the position of their choice and succeed
Posted on 12/23/09 at 4:14 pm to Gen Patton
Duvall is a very big strong tackle. Definately can play at nearly all instate schools minus LSU. Nelson and Davis probably the highest rated from Catholic's 2010 class. 2011 class has definate D1 guy in QB Oliver who can play at LSU. Size alone puts DT Lance Callihan 6'3" 275 on the board. Several bubble guys on offense such as FB Salinas 6' 205, G Van Duzee 5'11" 270. Defense CB Dubroc 5'10" 175, LB Manting 5'10" 220 and DE Venable 6' 220, have all been starting since sophomore season and have had some college contacts. As in the past 1 or more of these guys will make it to LSU.
Posted on 12/23/09 at 5:15 pm to insidefire
If Duvall was any good, wouldn't he have been asked to play in last weekend's Red Stick Bowl. If the locals, who know local player talent better than anyone didn't notice him, why should colleges?
Posted on 12/23/09 at 5:27 pm to insidefire
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Duvall is a very big strong tackle. Definately can play at nearly all instate schools minus LSU. Nelson and Davis probably the highest rated from Catholic's 2010 class. 2011 class has definate D1 guy in QB Oliver who can play at LSU. Size alone puts DT Lance Callihan 6'3" 275 on the board. Several bubble guys on offense such as FB Salinas 6' 205, G Van Duzee 5'11" 270
I agree just the Catholic o-line this year was one of the best in Louisiana. Davis and Nelson are more likely the top rated recruits from CHS in 2010. I would put Oliver(QB) and Salinas(FB) at the top for 2011. Salinas is one of the most underrated backs in the city but should go to Red Stick Bowl next year. Lance Callihan is very strong and an ideal size for a d-tackle. I want Duvall to be recognized more because it was very evident that CHS wouldnt have gotten 11-3 without the guys up front.
Posted on 12/23/09 at 5:42 pm to Gen Patton
Has Gen Patton gotten his son, I mean Duvall his fifth star yet?
Posted on 12/23/09 at 5:51 pm to Cash
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Has Gen Patton gotten his son, I mean Duvall his fifth star yet?
He isn't related to Duvall. I asked around
Posted on 12/23/09 at 8:07 pm to Gen Patton
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6'3 315 one of the strongest players on Catholic's roster
idk why he got honorable mention, SO UNDERRATED
I respect your passion for Catholic and I respect Catholic's school and program. It is a first rate school even though I am not a fan of the school. Just for your own info: to make Honorable Mention all you have to do is be nominated by your coach. You do not have to have a single vote from any of the other teams. They also have 4 positions available if this kid was able to make either 1st or 2nd team tackle or guard. I looked at the District 5-5A All district team. They have 5 guards who the coaches in the district think are better than him (if he plays guard). (If he plays tackle) They have 4 tackles the coaches in the district voted above him. If the coaches in the district who watch all the film don't vote for you then you are in trouble as far as getting some recognition. Catholic had a total of 3 lineman who got 1st team and this kid was left off 1st and 2nd team. Maybe he is underrated, but size doesn't always make a player.
Posted on 12/23/09 at 8:15 pm to peopleschamp
I see a center, guard, and tackle from Catholic.
District 5-5A
FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
Pos. Player School Ht. Wt. Cl.
T Sanders Davis Catholic 6-3 270 Sr.
T Joe Henderson Den. Springs 6-3 315 Sr.
G Corey Schmidt Catholic 6-2 280 Sr.
G Dakota Fisher Central 6-0 265 Sr.
C Thomas Tomeny Catholic 5-9 250 So.
SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
T Dustin Bourdeau, Central, Sr.; T Brandon Allen, Zachary, Sr.; G Tyler Westbrook, Central, Sr.; G Buck Johnson, Live Oak; G Denzel Lewis,
District 5-5A
FIRST TEAM OFFENSE
Pos. Player School Ht. Wt. Cl.
T Sanders Davis Catholic 6-3 270 Sr.
T Joe Henderson Den. Springs 6-3 315 Sr.
G Corey Schmidt Catholic 6-2 280 Sr.
G Dakota Fisher Central 6-0 265 Sr.
C Thomas Tomeny Catholic 5-9 250 So.
SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
T Dustin Bourdeau, Central, Sr.; T Brandon Allen, Zachary, Sr.; G Tyler Westbrook, Central, Sr.; G Buck Johnson, Live Oak; G Denzel Lewis,
Posted on 12/25/09 at 1:52 am to peopleschamp
One O-lineman from Catholic was in the Red Stick Bowl and so was receiver #3 (Jilbert) I think. Duval and Nelson were not there, but there were many players not there who could have contributed. It is subjective. All-District is also subjective. Sometimes coaches on the early teams you play in district don't see film from later district games, etc. In the local 5A District, there were 14 starting guards up for all district (2 per team) and each of the 7 coaches has 2 votes, but you cannot vote for your own player. The 2 guards who receive the most votes, say 4 and 3 votes, are named 1st team. Two with the next most, say 2 and 2, are named second team. That is 11 total votes. The three who each receive one of the remaining votes get honorable memtion. You MUST receive at least one vote from another school to get honorable mention. At QB, there were 5 votes for one and 1 each for two others. The 5 got first, then a runoff vote determined second team vs honorable mention. At Center, each team put up one player. The guy with 4 votes gets 1st, 2 gets second, 1 gets honorable mention. Normally, each coach puts up a player at each position and most get 0 votes from other teams and get no honorable mention even. Central won district, they should have the most players. Then numbers generally fall along the order teams finished. I don't know if Walker had any first teamers. In the Destrehan, Hahnville, etc. District, they only selected a 1st team, and the protocols for how the voting occurred is up to the coach whose team won the district. Sometimes big arguments happen, so extra guys might make 1st or 2nd team. In 2007 for example, Broadway from Capital and Voth from Parkview were both named 1st team all-district QB's, because Broadway was the best, but KG at Parkview ran the meeting and Voth lead them to a State Championship, so he made it too. Some coaches fight for players harder than others. The entire process is subjective. There are kids with D-I offers, who don't make 1st or 2nd team, lots of kids who make it as SO and JR, but not SR year, many who get all-district, but never get recruited, etc.
Posted on 12/25/09 at 2:06 am to insidefire
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Duvall is a very big strong tackle. Definately can play at nearly all instate schools minus LSU. Nelson and Davis probably the highest rated from Catholic's 2010 class. 2011 class has definate D1 guy in QB Oliver who can play at LSU. Size alone puts DT Lance Callihan 6'3" 275 on the board. Several bubble guys on offense such as FB Salinas 6' 205, G Van Duzee 5'11" 270. Defense CB Dubroc 5'10" 175, LB Manting 5'10" 220 and DE Venable 6' 220, have all been starting since sophomore season and have had some college contacts. As in the past 1 or more of these guys will make it to LSU.
None of these boys are LSU caliber. Duval is strong and good, with a great demeanor, intelligence, etc., and I think can play D-I as a 2-year project at a Sun Belt type school. Nelson & Davis should think D-II/NAIA, which means outside LA for scholarship football, if they want to PLAY scolarship football in college. Oliver won't play SEC football, but has a shot, with improved footwork, speed, etc, as a 2-year project in the Sun Belt, other Sun Belt schools like Rice and I-AA schools. Stephen F. Austin would be a great fit I think. Dubroc is athletic and good and we'll see how these current Juniors grow and develop.
Posted on 12/25/09 at 2:18 am to LSUandAU
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Nelson
Nelson can play at a small DI school if he chooses. He is waiting on La Tech and potentially a preferred walk-on at LSU (ever since McCarthy left, this status is kind of up in the air). La Tech has one player at WR ahead of him. If he turns down their offer, then Nelson has one.
He can and wants to play football at the next level.
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Oliver won't play SEC football, but has a shot, with improved footwork, speed, etc, as a 2-year project in the Sun Belt, other Sun Belt schools like Rice and I-AA schools. Stephen F. Austin would be a great fit I think.
Are you kidding me? Are there no conferences between the SEC and the Sun-Belt?
Oliver has great size and a live arm. He has progressed tremendously with each year he has started at Catholic. He is a lock to be a DI quarterback. Whether LSU offers is another case due to his lack of mobility, but you are off base with your analysis otherwise.
Posted on 12/25/09 at 3:20 am to lynxcat
You don't think Rice (Ryan Lewis from Catholic), or Sun Belt (AR State, ULL, Troy, etc.) could be where he ends up? I think there is a good chance! ULL won't sign a QB in 2010, but will in the 2011 class. How about schools like UAB, Troy, Southern MS, Houston, TCU or maybe East Carolina (Josh Jordan from St. Amant) or Big 12 schools like Iowa State and Baylor. He is a geat kid, a smart kid and has ability, but SEC is a different level. If not SEC, where do you think he would go. A lot of kids really like D-IAA schools like Stephen F. Austin, McNeese, Southeastern, etc, with smaller campuses, etc. If he likes the North, he would also fit well at passing schools like New Hampshire (beat McNeese 49-13 in I-AA playoffs this year). Richmond could be a good fit too....I-AA National Champs in 2008. ANd maybe the best fit for a kid ike him, going to SAMFORD in Birmingham (near UAB) and learning from Pat Sullivan. Not that you are, but it bugs me when people limit there imaginations about playing college ball, when so many GREAT opportunities exist. There is NOTHING wrong with I-AA or D-II. Hell, Garcon on the Colts played D-III ball. Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon, Joe Flacco, Steve McNair, Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, etc. played I-AA ball. THere are 3-4 seniors this year at CAtholic who could play D-II or D-IAA if they explored and marketed themselves. There is a world of D-II need this year. 2010 has 10-15 QB's who will play college ball next year, but probably only 4-5 of those in LA and 2 of those won't play QB in college. Sme QB's likely going out-of-state to play in 2010 class: Legeaux, Broadway, Wright, Coon, Bell, Bellard, Henderson, Dopson, Leonards, Venable Lockhart, Oddo, Scroggins. 1-3 of these may end up in-state, but Meyers and others may go out.
Posted on 12/25/09 at 5:02 am to LSUandAU
First, I can't believe you are putting TCU in the same conversation at Arkansas State or ULL. If you are talking mid majors, then that is fine, but you are going from Ark St. which is one of the worst teams in DI all the way to the #4 ranked team in the BCS with TCU!
Not only that but then you start intermixing Big 12 teams into the same exact argument!!!!!
DI is the highest level of college ball. It is what everyone aspires to play. End. Of. Story.
You actually say that he is able to move all the way down to Southern, New Hampshire, or Samford?!
In all honesty, I am lost for words. If a kid can play at a BCS school then there is NO WAY they would EVER even CONSIDER playing DII or I-AA!!!
Zach is a top flight QB that will have top schools looking at him. I can't believe you even tried to make the argument that someone would pass up major DI for D2 ball
I'm going to stop now...I'll leave it to the rest of the board.
ETA: The only exception is when someone passes up major D1 offers to play at an Ivy League school. There is a top ranked TE committed to Harvard this year. This happens occasionally, but not often.
Not only that but then you start intermixing Big 12 teams into the same exact argument!!!!!
DI is the highest level of college ball. It is what everyone aspires to play. End. Of. Story.
You actually say that he is able to move all the way down to Southern, New Hampshire, or Samford?!
In all honesty, I am lost for words. If a kid can play at a BCS school then there is NO WAY they would EVER even CONSIDER playing DII or I-AA!!!
Zach is a top flight QB that will have top schools looking at him. I can't believe you even tried to make the argument that someone would pass up major DI for D2 ball
I'm going to stop now...I'll leave it to the rest of the board.
ETA: The only exception is when someone passes up major D1 offers to play at an Ivy League school. There is a top ranked TE committed to Harvard this year. This happens occasionally, but not often.
This post was edited on 12/25/09 at 5:05 am
Posted on 12/25/09 at 6:03 am to lynxcat
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The only exception is when someone passes up major D1 offers to play at an Ivy League school. There is a top ranked TE committed to Harvard this year. This happens occasionally, but not often.
There was this Cornerback in the mid 90s - who was recruited by almost all the top schools in the southeast - he elected to go do pre-law and law school later because that was his parent's wish.
The name skips me - but does anyone else remember this guy?
I know this can be the vaguest details for a recruit
but everyone was talking about it then.Posted on 12/25/09 at 10:55 am to lynxcat
I don't think LSU fans care about Brad Nelson.
Posted on 12/30/09 at 11:28 pm to lynxcat
Lynxcat,
You have a lot of good posts and seem from your posts like a good knowledgable guy, but fit is very important, not jusy conference or division. There are QB's getting offered by big I-A schools that Appalaichan State, Woffard, etc in I-AA would not offer. I know which schools are in which conference, but TCU doesn't play the schedule of SEC schools. Keep in mind that lower level Big 12 schools like Baylor and Iowa State recruit much of the same level talent as Sun Belt, WAC, etc schools. Also, many D-I caliber and offered players DO NOT go D-I. Playing D-I is not "end of story." Playing time, academics (as you do say), location of school, size of school, coaches promises, etc, play a role. Lots of kids start of at D-IA too and then transfer. It happens with hundreds and hundreds of kids every year. At the QB position, D-IAA and D-II are littered with QB's who could be at a D-I school but aren't. The two teams in the D-II nat'l champ game each has 10+ players who were offered D-I at schools such as Iowa, Auburn, Michigan, etc, but went D-II to play, for the schools, the locations, the winning histories, the playoffs, etc. Both schools will have players drafted too. Anyway, I enjoy the discussion and I'm pretty familiar with the process. LSU wants Perrilouix and Jefferson and Lee type athletes and I don't see any local QB's now in that athletic of a mold. There are a ton of 6'3" kids who are smart and can throw 70 yards (about 30 in PA alone), but kids need a god fit and most want to play. I have a friend though whose son walked on at LSU and only dressed out for home games and never rose above Scout team, but on Sr day, his name was announced and even though 90,000 fans said "who is that," about 100 people knew who he was and for the rest of his life he can say he played at LSU and has a Nat'l Champ ring to prove it.
You have a lot of good posts and seem from your posts like a good knowledgable guy, but fit is very important, not jusy conference or division. There are QB's getting offered by big I-A schools that Appalaichan State, Woffard, etc in I-AA would not offer. I know which schools are in which conference, but TCU doesn't play the schedule of SEC schools. Keep in mind that lower level Big 12 schools like Baylor and Iowa State recruit much of the same level talent as Sun Belt, WAC, etc schools. Also, many D-I caliber and offered players DO NOT go D-I. Playing D-I is not "end of story." Playing time, academics (as you do say), location of school, size of school, coaches promises, etc, play a role. Lots of kids start of at D-IA too and then transfer. It happens with hundreds and hundreds of kids every year. At the QB position, D-IAA and D-II are littered with QB's who could be at a D-I school but aren't. The two teams in the D-II nat'l champ game each has 10+ players who were offered D-I at schools such as Iowa, Auburn, Michigan, etc, but went D-II to play, for the schools, the locations, the winning histories, the playoffs, etc. Both schools will have players drafted too. Anyway, I enjoy the discussion and I'm pretty familiar with the process. LSU wants Perrilouix and Jefferson and Lee type athletes and I don't see any local QB's now in that athletic of a mold. There are a ton of 6'3" kids who are smart and can throw 70 yards (about 30 in PA alone), but kids need a god fit and most want to play. I have a friend though whose son walked on at LSU and only dressed out for home games and never rose above Scout team, but on Sr day, his name was announced and even though 90,000 fans said "who is that," about 100 people knew who he was and for the rest of his life he can say he played at LSU and has a Nat'l Champ ring to prove it.
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