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re: Has LSU dropped the Redemptorist RB charged with rape?
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:09 am to Nissanmaxima
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:09 am to Nissanmaxima
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No, you look at every situation as it comes up
Disagree either an 18 year old is mature enough to stand trial as an adult for all crimes or none. I'm in the camp that by 18 you're an adult and the legal system should treat you like one.
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I am fully aware what the law is, thanks.
I don't remember trying to tell you what the law is. All I did was ask you a question.
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I am taking a shot here and saying that she very much knew what she was doing, did it, the word got out, her parents found out, she freaked and there you go.
There you go what?? You realize she isn't claiming she was raped or forced to do it? That consent is not what is at issue and everyone admits she "very much knew what she was doing" and in these situations most often it is the parents who press charges not the child?
It's on video tape, and I doubt very much whether or not Hill was charged and arrested was a decision of the girl. But if you want to continue making veiled shots at the girl go ahead.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:16 am to tigerguy121
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But if you want to continue making veiled shots at the girl go ahead.
Are we any better at taking shots at Hill and the other guy before they go to trial? I always thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty? Okay, I am done with this. :beatdeadhorse:
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:22 am to Nissanmaxima
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And yes, we are all fools if we think that no 18 year old high school male has never ever received a BJ from a minor or underclassmen, give me a break. I am taking a shot here and saying that she very much knew what she was doing, did it, the word got out, her parents found out, she freaked and there you go
THANK YOU
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:22 am to Nissanmaxima
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Are we any better at taking shots at Hill and the other guy before they go to trial? I
If by shots you mean me saying he is an adult, he should be treated like one and that I understand that if Les revokes his offer or not, then yes I am taking shots at Hill.
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I always thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty?
I wasn't aware I was already on the jury in this case
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:24 am to Fat Andy
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Fat Andy
Of course you agree, you and he have a similar misunderstanding of the situation. You both keep thinking this is some kind of "To Kill A Mockingbird" situation
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:48 am to Nissanmaxima
This whole situation sucks for Hill and LSU fans.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 9:58 am to Jaketigger
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uhhhhh Did you read the newspapers?
it is ORAL SEXUAL BATTERY. Even if she was willing, it is still force since she is a mino
ughh, have you ever read the fricking statute? Point me to where it says ANYTHING about forcing someone to do anything. I'll anxiously await your educated and well formed reply.
Louisiana Oral Sexual Battery Law
LSA-R.S. 14:43.3
A. Oral sexual battery is the intentional engaging in any of the following acts with another person, who is not the spouse of the offender when the other person has not yet attained fifteen years of age and is at least three years younger than the offender:
(1) The touching of the anus or genitals of the victim by the offender using the mouth or tongue of the offender; or
(2) The touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using the mouth or tongue of the victim.
B. Lack of knowledge of the victim's age shall not be a defense.
C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery shall be punished by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, for not more than ten years.
(2) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery on a victim under the age of thirteen years when the offender is seventeen years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labor for not less than twenty-five years nor more than ninety-nine years. At least twenty-five years of the sentence imposed shall be served without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(3) Upon completion of the term of imprisonment imposed in accordance with Paragraph (2) of this Subsection, the offender shall be monitored by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections through the use of electronic monitoring equipment for the remainder of his natural life.
(4) Unless it is determined by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections, pursuant to rules adopted in accordance with the provisions of this Subsection, that a sexual offender is unable to pay all or any portion of such costs, each sexual offender to be electronically monitored shall pay the cost of such monitoring.
(5) The costs attributable to the electronic monitoring of an offender who has been determined unable to pay shall be borne by the department if, and only to the degree that sufficient funds are made available for such purpose whether by appropriation of state funds or from any other source.
(6) The Department of Public Safety and Corrections shall develop, adopt, and promulgate rules in the manner provided in the Administrative Procedure Act, that provide for the payment of such costs. Such rules shall contain specific guidelines which shall be used to determine the ability of the offender to pay the required costs and shall establish the reasonable costs to be charged. Such rules may provide for a sliding scale of payment so that an offender who is able to pay a portion, but not all, of such costs may be required to pay such portion.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:22 am to tigerguy121
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If Les wants to thats his decision but with the self limitations I'd thought LSU agreed to lower it's signees along with it's scholarships?
I don't think it counts as a scholarship until they enroll and show up on campus. IE just him signing and LSU accepting his LOI doesn't count against the schoolie total yet, so why not take it and then in August if he's cleared he can enroll, if not it doesn't count against LSU.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 11:35 am to moneyg
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18 and 14 (in some cases) is fine in my book
wow
What about 13. Is that fine in your opinion? 12?
Wow, this would be relevant if your book meant anything. It doesn't. It's the law. I don't think there is anything wrong with committing many current illegal crimes, but that is my problem. This entire discussion is all because some of you overly emotional fans want 1 of 85 scholarships to be filled thus comprimising our school's reputation and tradition with the hopes of this one potential recruit being the end all be all of LSU football. This is crazy. Are you willing to invite Cecil Collins back onto the team? The risk reward here for LSU and the pro hill faction of fans' moral compass is insane. Some of you are way to eager to comprimise both your values and LSU's reputation.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:08 pm to Fat Andy
quote:That doesn't matter.
i'm saying that what actually happened and what the female says happened, more often than not are two different things
Look this is real simple. She did not consent.
I know she did not consent. Even if she said yes, she did not consent. Even if she said PLEASE, she did not consent.
She's 14, she cannot consent.
So this is a black and white issue, there is no wiggle room.
If you don't like it, take it up with your congressman and tell me how that turns out.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:11 pm to Geauxing for 3
If I believe that JH was wrong for talking a 14 year old freshman into a blowjob for he and his friend, I must not have gotten laid in HS? What is wrong with you sick bastards? If you pervs were such studs in HS, how come you clowns had to cull the youngest in the herd?
I remember 18, 14 year old girls were way to young and emotionally undeveloped to be fricking with. I believe you are sexually predatorial if you searched out the youngest, least emotionally mature girls in a school setting to PREY upon.
At this point in this thread, it's less about the legality of JHs situation and more about how pathetic half of the posters in this thread were in high school.... and how far they haven't come in their own maturity.
I remember 18, 14 year old girls were way to young and emotionally undeveloped to be fricking with. I believe you are sexually predatorial if you searched out the youngest, least emotionally mature girls in a school setting to PREY upon.
At this point in this thread, it's less about the legality of JHs situation and more about how pathetic half of the posters in this thread were in high school.... and how far they haven't come in their own maturity.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:13 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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So this is a black and white issue, there is no wiggle room.
I'll ask you the question I asked above, prior to a 2003 ruling by the USSC, sodomy was illegal in Texas and other states. This included oral sex even between married couples. Should we have been prosecuting all guys and anyone who had oral sex? It was black and white, it was against the law right?
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:So take this one to court. Maybe the supreme court will overrule it too ... but I wouldn't hold my breath on it if I were you.
Should we have been prosecuting all guys and anyone who had oral sex? It was black and white, it was against the law right?
If a law is a piece of shite you can get it changed either through judicial or legislative action. This law, however, is not a piece of shite.
I am frankly amazed (and quite a bit sad) that there are so many people on here stating that it's ok for a child to consent to sex; it's not. A child is not emotionally or intellectually ready to make such a decision and, as someone stated earlier in this thread, society has an obligation to protect children.
Should an 18 year old in HS who had sex with a 14 year old be punished the same as a 45 year old who has sex with a 14 year old? I'd agree with you, no, the punishment should not be the same. But neither is legal and neither is right. And I don't want that kid on my football team.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:23 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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So this is a black and white issue
fact. its also the problem with the statute.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:30 pm to Elleshoe
quote:I agree...18 years old still in school feels like 16 years old still in school.
fact. its also the problem with the statute.
Where this is wrong and a crime according to the law in any instance, its not like a 30 yr old cruising the Jr. High for sex.
Was it wrong: Yes
Should he be treated like a murderer: No, if force wasnt involved.
If the girl in question was forced, then thats no different than any violent sex act against a minor and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:46 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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it's ok for a child to consent to sex
Out of curiosity, how old do you think they should be to consent?
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:50 pm to Cadello
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If the girl in question was forced, then thats no different than any violent sex act against a minor and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
This. And if she wasn't forced, Hill will probaly still see some (Probaly won't and shouldn't be much) jail time. This will happen for two reasons: 1. To show the other 18 year old boys that you shouldn't stick your dick in 14 year olds. 2. They were stupid enough to record the incident in question.
Posted on 1/21/11 at 12:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I don't think it counts as a scholarship until they enroll and show up on campus. IE just him signing and LSU accepting his LOI doesn't count against the schoolie total yet
I'm not talking about that. The NCAA has a 85 scholarship limit yes, but I'm refering to the SEC's SIGNING LIMIT. IE how many people you can sing on NSD. Didn't LSU self-limit themselves in this area along with the scholarship reduction?
ETA
Found this on Pro Football Talk
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“a reduction in official visits for the 2010-11 academic year, a loss of two scholarships for 2011-12 class, a loss of two overall scholarships for the 2011-12 academic year and a reduction of two national letters of intent LSU can offer before the February 2011 signing date.
This is what I am talking about.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 1/21/11 at 1:03 pm to mobius99
quote:At this point 8 years ago, I was 14 and in highschool.
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he got blown by a girl in his HS. Bum rap IMO
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Wrong a-hole.
He is 18 she was 14. This is effed up. He is a POS. If this did indeed go down.
NM. I didn't notice who was postiing. Please tell me that was sarcasm???
stfu
EDIT: Also, if there is no physical evidence of him forcing her, it will just devolve into he-said-she-said and be thrown out. Regardless, was the act even commited? I dont know everything about the case, but I am recalling this just being an allegation of him propositioning her.
EDIT2: And honestly, I am not putting my penis into the mouth of an unwilling participant and risking my junk being bit off.
This post was edited on 1/21/11 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/21/11 at 1:20 pm to LSU0358
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Out of curiosity, how old do you think they should be to consent?
The age the LAW states that makes one legally and adult to consent. I think in LA it is 17.
Why is that even a question? THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE, LIKE IT OR NOT! Call your local congressman if you actually think you want the age dropped to a lower one......but get ready to be a perverted asswipe in all of our eyes.
Not saying he is a hardened (no pun intended) criminal, but he broke the law as it is written, period!
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