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re: 1908 national championship
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:46 am to MikeTheTiger71
Posted on 2/4/26 at 6:46 am to MikeTheTiger71
You haven’t addressed anything creditable. Like I said, your opinion doesn’t negate facts bud. NCAA does not recognize 2017 UCF nor 2016 Alabama as National Champions.
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:34 am to BigNastyTiger417
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You haven’t addressed anything creditable. Like I said, your opinion doesn’t negate facts bud. NCAA does not recognize 2017 UCF nor 2016 Alabama as National Champions.
So you’re not going to explain how a list labeled NATIONAL CHAMPION MAJOR SELECTIONS (1896 TO PRESENT) isn’t really a list of national champions. I get it. You have no reasonable argument on that point and it blows your entire premise out of the water, so you just choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:40 am to Harry Boutte
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Why would you throw out the 1958 national championship trophies awarded by both the AP and UPI? LSU has trophies for 1958, they have none for 1908 because no one at the time thought they were national champions.
Your comment said it’s all about the hardware. There was no hardware before the BCS. It was all favoritism on who people “thought” was the best. That’s why I asked should all champions before 1998 be thrown out.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:46 am to MikeTheTiger71
You’re not going to address the list of National Championships that the NCAA recognizes? Ok.
Stop trying to force your opinion on others here. Move to California for that type of nonsensical behavior. We follow facts here (as stated by providing MULTIPLE links to the NCAA records).
Stop trying to force your opinion on others here. Move to California for that type of nonsensical behavior. We follow facts here (as stated by providing MULTIPLE links to the NCAA records).
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 11:04 am
Posted on 2/4/26 at 10:33 am to vidtiger23
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There was no hardware before the BCS
Is there something wrong with you? Do you not understand that LSU has championship trophies from the 1958 season, including the AP and UPI trophies? Those are what are colloquially known as "hardware".
The Associated Press (AP) has been awarding hardware to the team their sportswriters voted to be the national champions since 1936.
In 1950 the United Press International (UPI) started polling college football coaches in to award hardware to the team they determined to be national champions. This would come to be known as the "Coaches Trophy".
All the BCS was, was a formula used to award the Coaches Trophy. The AP still awarded its trophy independently from the CFP results.
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who people “thought” was the best.
They still awarded hardware in the form of a trophy. And opinion polls still determine who plays in the CFP.
Does the 1990 coaches trophy look familiar...?
I think the problem is that since the inception of "participation trophies", people don't even know what trophies are actually supposed to be for.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 10:43 am to tarzana
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Doc Fenton
That’s right….i was trying to remember who that was! Since it was awarded posthumously, I wonder if his family received a trophy?…
Everything about that season is fascinating to me, for some reason!
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:48 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Let me preface this by saying I agree with you that the lists are not official recognition by the NCAA, they will never give that. It is just informative about past selectors and their respective selections.
The only thing I'll say against your argument is that the NCAA, on the most restrictive list, is effectively recognizing who they consider "Major Selectors" For example, they only mention the CFP in the CFP era. When pre-BCS era they mention the AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, etc. even for years with clear undisputed champions like 1995 Nebraska. Of course, the counter argument is 2003 where they list the BCS, AP, and FWAA.
The only thing I'll say against your argument is that the NCAA, on the most restrictive list, is effectively recognizing who they consider "Major Selectors" For example, they only mention the CFP in the CFP era. When pre-BCS era they mention the AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, etc. even for years with clear undisputed champions like 1995 Nebraska. Of course, the counter argument is 2003 where they list the BCS, AP, and FWAA.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:46 pm to BigNastyTiger417
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You’re not going to address the list of National Championships that the NCAA recognizes?
I don’t know if you lack reading comprehension skills or if you’re just a liar.
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Stop trying to force your opinion on others here. Move to California for that type of nonsensical behavior. We follow facts here (as stated by providing MULTIPLE links to the NCAA records).
You aren’t very bright, are you? You clearly have no concept of what constitutes a fact vs. an opinion. The facts in this case are that the NCAA publishes multiple lists of national champions using different sets of selectors. Only one of us acknowledges that fact, and it isn’t you. The opinion in this case that the only list that counts is the one that fits your narrative. I’m not the one trying to force my opinion here.
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:00 pm to BrownLeft Shoe
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The only thing I'll say against your argument is that the NCAA, on the most restrictive list, is effectively recognizing who they consider "Major Selectors"
I think they are still just presenting information. It’s not who THEY consider major selectors since they use the exact same term to describe the broadest list of selectors included in the NCAA Record Book. The narrower list is more an acknowledgment of the selectors with the most widespread popular acceptance across various eras. They aren’t imposing their own judgment. They’re deferring to public opinion and providing a variety of possible options for what might be considered a list of national champions.
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For example, they only mention the CFP in the CFP era. When pre-BCS era they mention the AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI, etc. even for years with clear undisputed champions like 1995 Nebraska. Of course, the counter argument is 2003 where they list the BCS, AP, and FWAA.
I think it’s more a matter of the other sources falling in line with the BCS/CFP except in 2003, so they did not feel the need to list them all out separately except where they deviated. And, again, it’s more a deference to public opinion in that era.
I think what’s lost in all of this is that I don’t agree that the broader list is a reasonable source for national championship claims. I’m only stating that the legitimacy of a claim has nothing to do with being included on a published NCAA list. Legitimacy comes from broad public acceptance, not the NCAA.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 5:10 pm to lsutiger74
I agree. I LSU HAS been very conservative about recognizing football national championships unlike Alabama and Auburn. If the NCAA recognized it then LSU has a clear path to doing the same.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 7:08 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Liars don’t post facts bud. Try English 101. Stop deflecting facts because of your opinion.
#readingishard
#readingishard
This post was edited on 2/4/26 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 2/4/26 at 7:23 pm to Harry Boutte
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I think the problem is that since the inception of "participation trophies", people don't even know what trophies are actually supposed to be for.
You know you make tons of assumptions based on zero facts lol. Anyone can make hardware. Kids get “hardware” for getting 4th place in some travel ball tournament every year. The point was there was no one way to name a national champion back then. Therefore have several national champions named for different years. 1908 team was also named national champion. You, my friend, sound like you have something wrong.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 7:38 pm to vidtiger23
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The point was there was no one way to name a national champion back then.
There were many ways.
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Anyone can make hardware.
Some more reputable than others.
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1908 team was also named national champion
Not by any reputable organization at the time.
You just want LSU to be able to say they've won more championships than they currently count. Claiming championships for seasons when the team didn't win any trophies is just lame.
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you have something wrong.
All I'm saying is that LSU counts championship seasons by trophies in the case. LSU has no championship trophies in the case for the 1908 season. I happen to agree with the way LSU has done it for the last 132 years. You want to do it some other way because you think LSU's way is wrong.
Posted on 2/5/26 at 6:40 am to Harry Boutte
No CFB team has received a trophy before 1936 (the year that the AP poll came out). So, should all teams before that not claim a National Championship?
LSU recognizes the 1908 team as one of the most dominant teams in history with a plaque at the stadium, not a trophy which they couldn’t receive.
LSU recognizes the 1908 team as one of the most dominant teams in history with a plaque at the stadium, not a trophy which they couldn’t receive.
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