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re: 2013 LSU offense's misconceptions
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:43 pm to UL-SabanRival
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:43 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Also finished 3rd in the SEC West. You forgot that one.
A&m had a good offense, they finished forth
Takes a whole team.
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Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:43 pm to JaxTiger10
quote:stats are kept to deceive people just like you.
JaxTiger10
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:52 pm to SammyTiger
yeah Miles is a terrible and horrible evaluator of QBs though.
In 2011 we got Randall, Mett and Rivers
in 2012 we let Bolden transfer here on scholarship
in 2013 we got Jennings and Rettig
Randall redshirted, spent another year behind Mett, then transferred and had to sit out a year. Now as a 3rd year junior, the best he could do was 3rd string at Arizona with a redshirt freshman starting.
Rivers redshirted, spent two more years behind Mett, and then transferred the next year because he was beat out by Jennings. We see now just how terrible he is in another pro style offense that does fit him. He looks extremely horrible.
Bolden was a top dual threat out of high school. Redshirted and sucked as a redshirt freshman. Miles let's him transfer here, and he had to sit out. Set behind Mett the next year, then transferred to Eastern Michigan. He is extremely horrible at even a crappy MAC school like that and only played in 6 games.
Rettig is in a 90%+ shotgun air raid offense out in Cali, yet comes down to Louisiana to play in a pro style/primarily under center offense. Had all kinds of problems here, including injury, struggling to play from under center and having the worst footwork I have seen from a college QB in a while. He has now transferred, and is sitting out the year.
Jennings backed up Mett, now runs a very poor offense. His receivers are not ideal, neither is the play calling, but still, he looks bad in his own right. Very poor accuracy and is a pretty poor decision maker. Never gives to the option man (noticed this last year as well), so teams will key on that the longer he plays.
I don't even want to talk about him really wanting Jeremy Liggins lol.
Harris is a Cam recruit. Harris has more talent than any of these guys. He also has Feliepe Franks in 2016 that runs a pro style offense and is a mobile QB (think Winston or mobile Mett). He is very much in the running for Shea Patterson, and he is evaluating two of the top 5 passers in Louisiana this year.
In 2011 we got Randall, Mett and Rivers
in 2012 we let Bolden transfer here on scholarship
in 2013 we got Jennings and Rettig
Randall redshirted, spent another year behind Mett, then transferred and had to sit out a year. Now as a 3rd year junior, the best he could do was 3rd string at Arizona with a redshirt freshman starting.
Rivers redshirted, spent two more years behind Mett, and then transferred the next year because he was beat out by Jennings. We see now just how terrible he is in another pro style offense that does fit him. He looks extremely horrible.
Bolden was a top dual threat out of high school. Redshirted and sucked as a redshirt freshman. Miles let's him transfer here, and he had to sit out. Set behind Mett the next year, then transferred to Eastern Michigan. He is extremely horrible at even a crappy MAC school like that and only played in 6 games.
Rettig is in a 90%+ shotgun air raid offense out in Cali, yet comes down to Louisiana to play in a pro style/primarily under center offense. Had all kinds of problems here, including injury, struggling to play from under center and having the worst footwork I have seen from a college QB in a while. He has now transferred, and is sitting out the year.
Jennings backed up Mett, now runs a very poor offense. His receivers are not ideal, neither is the play calling, but still, he looks bad in his own right. Very poor accuracy and is a pretty poor decision maker. Never gives to the option man (noticed this last year as well), so teams will key on that the longer he plays.
I don't even want to talk about him really wanting Jeremy Liggins lol.
Harris is a Cam recruit. Harris has more talent than any of these guys. He also has Feliepe Franks in 2016 that runs a pro style offense and is a mobile QB (think Winston or mobile Mett). He is very much in the running for Shea Patterson, and he is evaluating two of the top 5 passers in Louisiana this year.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:54 pm to SammyTiger
True. When chavis has absolute top notch talent, the d is good. When he doesn't, they suck.
As a whole, if the talent level dropped off even by 10%, LSU would be a losing team under this staff. And it will, eventually. Just a few more bonehead time management derps and 1/9, Arky games and the kids will start to get it. By then, the school will be left standing around with its dick in its hand while Miles retires a bajillionaire, and it will be 1990 all over again.
As a whole, if the talent level dropped off even by 10%, LSU would be a losing team under this staff. And it will, eventually. Just a few more bonehead time management derps and 1/9, Arky games and the kids will start to get it. By then, the school will be left standing around with its dick in its hand while Miles retires a bajillionaire, and it will be 1990 all over again.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:55 pm to SPEEDY
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finished 1st in the ncaa in 3rd down conversion %
LSU's ability to convert on 3rd down last year was incredible.
It was the 2nd best in at least 10 years behind only Andrew Luck and Stanford. Pretty amazing given the NFL talent that Stanford had and Luck's running ability.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:57 pm to arcalades
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stats are kept to deceive people just like you.
Stats can be deceiving, especially in college football.
This is a response to those who only look at stats at face value and fail to try and understand them. Efficiency stats tell a much better picture, especially when adjusted for your opponent and SOS.
LSU's offense was great last season. You don't need stats to be able to see that.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:14 pm to UL-SabanRival
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True. When chains has absolute top notch talent, the d is good. When he doesn't, they suck.
thats dumb, top notch talent doesn't equal results. results are talent + coaching + experience. you can put 11 5 star freshmen on the field and have a shitty defense. even with a good coach.
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As a whole, if the talent level dropped off even by 10%, LSU would be a losing team under this staff.
We have lost over 10% of the best players from the team the last two offseasons and it hasn't happened. so shut the frick up.
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And it will, eventually. Just a few more bonehead time management derps and 1/9, Arky games and the kids will start to get it.
there aren't any programs who don't have these games. Ole Miss lost 30-0 against Arkansas. Auburn just got their dicks kicked in, and lost to A&M.
we will keep recruit elite kids, because 1) a lot of them Love LSU 2) more of them love Les 3) we win games 4) we put kids into the NFL.
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Miles retires the winninest coach in LSU history
FIFY
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:24 pm to UL-SabanRival
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As a whole, if the talent level dropped off even by 10%, LSU would be a losing team under this staff. And it will, eventually. Just a few more bonehead time management derps and 1/9, Arky games and the kids will start to get it. By then, the school will be left standing around with its dick in its hand while Miles retires a bajillionaire, and it will be 1990 all over again.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:30 pm to JaxTiger10
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I have never seen a fan base more set on dismissimg every thing a coach has done in the last decade. Its amazing. Its the most successful decade 10 seasons in lsu history and posters on here are tripping over themselves to diminish it.
Wow. Are you ok? I'm worried about a wrist fracture or something, because you just knocked the absolute shite out of that strawman. I mean, I'm not surprised, because that's all you and your ilk do, but still, it's entertaining.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I'm worried about a wrist fracture or something, because you just knocked the absolute shite out of that strawman. I mean, I'm not surprised, because that's all you and your ilk do, but still, it's entertaining.
You obviously don't know what a straw man is because the comment you are trying to discredit is 100% true unless you aren't reading the board.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:38 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Also finished 3rd in the SEC West. You forgot that one.
That has nothing to do with some of the posters on here saying the 2013 lsu offense wasn't really good.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:38 pm to JaxTiger10
yet even with those stats, we were 8th in the SEC in time of possession even with our slow it down offense. We did have a great 3rd down conversion ratio but we were always facing 3rd downs. Other teams sometimes get big plays on 1st down or 2nd down so that they don't always have to face 3rd and whatever. They know how to put their talent in better positions to be effective. Just think if Mett was throwing it on 1st and 2nd down at times, how much greater those stats would be. Just think if we used deception, creativity, and misdirection, etc., you know the stuff other teams do, how great that offense would have been.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:41 pm to arcalades
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stats are kept to deceive people just like you
Wow. Non stats are kept because they ARE FACTS. Stats are kept to keep biased opinion in check.state are kept because it shows idiots they know nothing about cfb.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:43 pm to JaxTiger10
When limited to just conference play they were:
4th in yards per play
6th in points per game
9th in red zone conversion percentage
8th in rush yards per play
They were a good offense. But they weren't record breaking and they weren't even the best in the SEC by efficiency, in a year where they had the most offensive talent in the conference.
They had a great passing attack coupled with a mediocre rushing attack and the ability to convert a lot of third and longs.
4th in yards per play
6th in points per game
9th in red zone conversion percentage
8th in rush yards per play
They were a good offense. But they weren't record breaking and they weren't even the best in the SEC by efficiency, in a year where they had the most offensive talent in the conference.
They had a great passing attack coupled with a mediocre rushing attack and the ability to convert a lot of third and longs.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:46 pm to nf
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When limited to just conference play they were:
4th in yards per play
6th in points per game
9th in red zone conversion percentage
8th in rush yards per play
They were a good offense. But they weren't record breaking and they weren't even the best in the SEC by efficiency, in a year where they had the most offensive talent in the conference.
They had a great passing attack coupled with a mediocre rushing attack and the ability to convert a lot of third and longs.
Did you limit the stats to conference games for all the teams you are comparing LSU to also?
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:48 pm to UL-SabanRival
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As a whole, if the talent level dropped off even by 10%, LSU would be a losing team under this staff.
So would it at any school. Bama has the best coach and ,BY FAR , the most talent and they lose to a lesser team every year.
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And it will, eventually
2008 called and wanted its dumbass prediction back.
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Just a few more bonehead time management derps and 1/9, Arky games and the kids will start to get it.
You posters that think losing in the BCSCG is somehow worse than not even making the game, are dumb.
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By then, the school will be left standing around with its dick in its hand while Miles retires a bajillionaire, and it will be 1990 all over again.
Wait . If Miles is such a horrible coach and he has given lsu it's best 10 year stretch ever, then anyone lsu hires should be able to have the same success as Miles.
Which is it? Does lsu recruit and run itself or is Miles responsible for our decade long success. It cant be both
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:52 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Wow. Are you ok? I'm worried about a wrist fracture or something, because you just knocked the absolute shite out of that strawman. I mean, I'm not surprised, because that's all you and your ilk do, but still, it's entertaining.
Ha ha you see thats where youre wrong. We have FACTS proving Miles to be a great coach. You haters have nothing except biased opinions. The facts say Miles is a great coach and has one of the highest win% in SEC HISTORY. He has accomplished this great win % during the most successful era of sec football, EVER.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:54 pm to BeeFense5
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You obviously don't know what a straw man is because the comment you are trying to discredit is 100% true unless you aren't reading the board.
Damn bruhn i was gonna let him keep looking stupid.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 7:59 pm to boxcar willie
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yet even with those stats, we were 8th in the SEC in time of possession even with our slow it down offense.
Because our defense wasnt great at getting off the field. You do realize our defense effects our offensive TOP? Its like im talking to elementary school kids.
quote:Again our offense was great last year. If your defense is struggling ( which our 2013 defense did at times) the last thing you want to do is put them right back on the field by using HUNH.
Just think if we used deception, creativity, and misdirection, etc., you know the stuff other teams do, how great that offense would have been.
Also our offense was 12th in the entire country at yards per play. Thats great.
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:00 pm to JaxTiger10
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Does lsu recruit and run itself or is Miles responsible for our decade long success.
It is more the former than the latter.
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It cant be both
False dichotomy.
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