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re: 24 All-SEC selections on 1st/2nd team offense
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:41 pm to RB10
Posted on 12/3/18 at 3:41 pm to RB10
quote:
Since 2010:
Zach Mettenberger - Composite 4* (#1 Juco QB) #4 Juco Player
Jerrard Randall - Composite 4* (#8 Dual QB) #182 Player
Hayden Rettig - Composite 4* (#9 Pro QB) #143 Player
Anthony Jennings - Composite 4* (#14 Pro QB) #207 Player
Brandon Harris - Composite 4* (#3 Dual QB) #75 Player
Myles Brennan - Composite 4* (#6 Pro QB) #152 Player
Lowell Narcisse - Composite 4* (#9 Dual QB) #261 Player
Committed:
Peter Parrish - Composite 4* (#12 Dual QB) #334 Player
Max Johnson - Composite 4* (#5 Pro QB) #68 Player
TJ Finley - Composite 4* (#8 Pro QB) #191 Player
I'm not sure what you expect exactly, but this list of 4* players should have been more than enough to provide an adequate passing game for LSU.
Here's the weird part though, Mett delivered with Odell and Jarvis...however, for just 1 year.
Randall transferred and sucked after here
Rettig transferred and sucked after here
Jennings transferred and sucked after here
Harris transferred and sucked after here
Narcisse transferred and sucked after here
Pretty amazing we simply missed on all those evals. All these other coaches elsewhere couldn't fix any of them.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 3:42 pm
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:32 pm to thunderbird1100
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Pretty amazing we simply missed on all those evals. All these other coaches elsewhere couldn't fix any of them.
Coaches miss on evaluations every single year. The question wasn't "how good have our QBs been" it was "how many elite QBs has LSU signed".
If you can't get production out of the players that I listed, maybe it's you and not them.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:42 pm to RB10
Which ones out of those 4 do you think we could have gotton good production from?
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 4:44 pm to RB10
Since nobody got much out of them, I'm suggesting they were incorrectly graded, and our coaches mis-evaluated.
Fwiw, this happens a lot. For instance review how many QBs Bama has missed since 2010. It's a lot.
The star system isn't close to perfect.
Fwiw, this happens a lot. For instance review how many QBs Bama has missed since 2010. It's a lot.
The star system isn't close to perfect.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:41 pm to cra_cra
quote:The only thing between being worse than all but 1 of the previous coach's offense is 7OTs.
There was significant deterioration of the offense and the players that wanted to come here because of that. The QB culture was DISMAL.
'18<'17<'16<'15 is for real deterioration of the offense. Dismal.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:44 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Thats a lie. LSU has gotten no shortage of elite QB's on campus only to not coach them and then has to rely on a transfer who has been coached.
That's the difference and its sad that one one here understands it.
LSU JUCO QBs didn't set the world on fire in their first year.
Mett's 128, and Burrow's 127 RAT is as bad as Harris first year 130, who's RAT dropped to 72 in a "more QB friendly system".
Etling improved from 1st year 135 to 152RAT with LSU coaching and none of this "JUCO trained" drivel actually checks out.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:48 pm to Gray Tiger
quote:
Gray Tiger
quote:I see you’re still a bonifde retard so desperate to call out “negas” that you don’t even understand context.
OH NOOOOOOO
The world just ended
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:19 pm to JayDeerTay84
I agree, the more I watch other games/teams execute their offense, I realize how underdeveloped/underutilized LSU'S players are. My big question is(and I'm not at practices), are the coaches not great communicators and not detail oriented or hold the player's feet to the fire, or is it the players are just bad at picking up on stuff and don't execute the plays/game plan? I would venture to say some of both but I'd put more of the blame on the coaches. It has to be ingrained in these players that if you don't do your part(that may seem minuscule), the play will be unsuccessful. It's all about the fine details and intricacies that make plays successful. I see wr's from other teams owning db's on run plays and our wr's can't seem to get a hand on a db. That's a lack of effort and a mindset and these guys need to know if you don't do your job you're not gonna play. Its not only wr's but the o-line is horrible at screens(dont delay block then release, they straight release and it becomes a dead giveaway to the d-line and lb's). They miss picking up guys coming across their face(staying on double team too long with bad technique). It's bad across the board. Bad route designs, on rpo's Burrow holds/reads the play too long and by the time he pulls the ball out of rb's stomach to throw the wr on slant is in the middle of the field and it's too late to throw to him anymore and the play is busted up.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:11 pm to thunderbird1100
Its hard for anyone to shine when you constantly put players in a position to fail.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:25 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:
So coaching because we have elite WR talent on paper.
We do have impressive WR talent on the roster, although three of our six 4-star+ players (including our one 5-star) are freshmen. UGA has nine 4-star+ WR (two 5-star). Bama has eight (one 5-star).
quote:
We have a number of 4* RB's on the roster right now.
We have two.
One is a freshman. UGA has four (two 5-stars). Bama has five (two 5-stars). quote:
Again, we have a number of highly rated kids out of high-school on the Oline. While maybe a little thin, they did not improve.
We have six 4-star OL. UGA has ten (including three 5-star). Bama has fourteen (including two 5-star). Bama has 2 less 4-star OL than we do TOTAL. As for improvement, I would argue that they did improve individually. Injuries killed us on OL more than anything due to our lack of depth.
If the goal is to be equals with the two programs that played in the SECCG this year, we need to figure out how to land more of the truly elite guys that are on their recruiting boards. It looks like we are headed in that direction with some of the guys coming in 2019, but I’d like to see us recruit better outside of Louisiana.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:26 pm to thunderbird1100
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It's first and foremost a personnel problem
Our oline isnt any less talented than the last regime and we almost always had a good line under Miles.
IMO we will never have enough blue chip olinemen to run Ensminger's offense.
He runs dinosaur offense and refuses to change up his playcalling depending upon which part of the offense is being slowed down.
If our oline is struggling.......
He never moves the pocket.
He repeatedly puts burrow under center
He repeatedly goes in max protect giving the qb all of 2 passing options.
In the 2nd half against Southeastern we had...
63 yards of offense
3 1st downs
Thats not talent.
2nd half against La tech we had....
158 yards of offense
Thats not talent.
Before the a&m game we were 104th in offense.
Thats not talent.
Imo anyway
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:27 pm to Spotswoode
quote:
would not agree. I think our offensive talent is about equal to Vandy's if you take out the freshman wide receivers, whch are extremely talented but not really developed yet. Their offensive line is better than LSU's. Running backs? I'd guess Vandy is better. Burrow is probably better than their QB, but I'll admit I didn't see them enough to tell.
Thanks.
I love when posters , right off the bat, let me know that i can ignore anything they say about cfb.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:29 pm to doubleb
quote:
Vandy did have three guys on the all SEC second team O.
Ludwig is vastly superior to Ensminger.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:40 pm to Macavity92
quote:
And yet, we continued to pull in highly rated recruits like Brennan.
Meh, the only SEC offers he had were LSU, Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Vandy. Cal, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia were his best out of conference offers. Not bad, but not “highly-rated” as this board revises history to state.
If that’s all this board can roll out to claim the elite offensive recruits, then you can see why we have no All-SEC offensive players and teams like Kentucky do.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 12/3/18 at 9:18 pm to thunderbird1100
It is crazy how many people from Louisiana are on the 2nd team defense.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 9:26 pm to The First Cut
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Meh, the only SEC offers he had were LSU, Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Vandy. Cal, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia were his best out of conference offers. Not bad, but not “highly-rated” as this board revises history to state.
ESPN had hom in their top ten in the country. Is there a definition of highly rated I am not aware of?
And to the other poster who claimed that other programs pull in 2 Brennans a year —- really? 2 top 10 QBs? Every year? Math is not with you.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 9:38 pm to thunderbird1100
And you can make a case that the coaching staff did little to nothing to develop, scheme, etc to improve the offense. In fact, this team went backwards. The staff or elements of it recruited a lot of these guys. You telling me they missed on two deep talent of 24 guys. C’mon.
I could just as easily say that you had no all-sec caliber players because of the poor scheme, poor coaching and poor strength and conditioning. Who hired Matt Canada? Who hired Steve E? Who hired Jerry Sullivan?
At least balance the thread and not lay this all at the feet of the players that were recruited to the school by some of these same coaches.
I could just as easily say that you had no all-sec caliber players because of the poor scheme, poor coaching and poor strength and conditioning. Who hired Matt Canada? Who hired Steve E? Who hired Jerry Sullivan?
At least balance the thread and not lay this all at the feet of the players that were recruited to the school by some of these same coaches.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:10 pm to doubleb
quote:
The fact is we have had poor QB recruiting, the Stars lie.
This. 100% THIS!
And that is 100% on the coaches.
Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:11 pm to RB10
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If you can't get production out of the players that I listed, maybe it's you and not them.
bullshite. You cannot get blood from a turnip.
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