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re: A homage to Les
Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:10 pm to UpstairsComputer
Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:10 pm to UpstairsComputer
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Go watch those Hallman years highlights and come back youngin’.
Im 40. Im a man. But to compare hallman program status with where we were when CLM was fired is misleading at best.
And I wanted Miles gone and still think his exit was warranted.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:19 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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miles was justly fired and a year too late in my opinion
I’m going to go against this line of thinking for a moment, out of respect for the most successful coach in LSU history.
Too many of us have started saying this, mostly after we saw what looked like a depleted team this past September. But that was a falsely spun narrative to cover up for the massive shortcomings of our current head coach by trying to deflect blame onto the previous one. It was a shrewd play that we were all too shocked by the historic ineptitude to dispute.
With hindsight, I’m firmly calling bullshite now.
I posted here after 2015 when he was retained that if Miles didnt win the West with Leonard Fournette it was time to move on.
I would have been happy to get Jimbo in 2015 but always would have felt that Miles deserved that one last run in 2016 with the great 2014 class.
But once he was retained, firing a National Championship winning coach in September after two last second losses to good teams on the road, when we still controlled our own destiny in the West, should never have even been on the table.
It was an absolute disgrace and a black mark on this program, perhaps even one of those dreadful sports curses, that will not be erased until we win another SEC title and make the CFB playoff, at the very least.
Name another NC winning coach that wasn’t given at least the respect to finish his final season. I honestly can’t think of a single example. And it isn’t like the wheels had fallen off and we were barely sneaking into bowl games at 6-6. Miles couldn’t beat Saban, and lost to Arkansas twice in a row the week after Alabama. Those two games were his downfall. That allowed the firestorm to burn out of control, and Joe Alleva wasn’t smart or strong enough to look at the big picture.
There is a way to conduct business with respect and still do what needs to be done, and Joe Alleva wouldn’t understand that concept if the class fairy took a dump on his head. [sic]
Not only was the move completely classless, I will always believe that it cost LSU at least the Sugar Bowl bid in 2016, with the Florida game going in our favor under Miles. And with everything on the line against Alabama, at home where he always pushed Saban to the limit even as huge underdogs, and with HIS outstanding find of Dave Aranda as DC, I simply don’t see any way LSU gets shut out the way they did under O.
There was one last bullet in the chamber for that game imo, and if not, then Miles rides off into the sunset after the Florida game with very few complaints from anyone, as that would have clearly been his best chance to beat Saban.
A young, innovative, offensive minded coach would have been a welcome shift to everyone, and O would likely still be here coaching the DL and recruiting for his home state’s flagship university.
But with the stupid, impetuous, spiteful firing in September, Alleva allowed a snake oil salesman to get his fangs into the lottery ticket that was the LSU HC job, and his limp wristed response to the media’s push for the worst coach in Ole Miss’ history hitched us all to a wagon that will simply never make it up the championship mountain, despite all of the resources at his disposal in Baton Rouge.
This program won’t flounder to missing bowl games. I’ve said that all along. But we will trudge through 7, 8 and 9 win seasons with an occasional 10 win mirage as long as Aranda is here to keep everyone swallowing the “next year!!” pill that they keep shoving down our collective throat.
So no, Miles wasn’t fired a year too late. If Fournette doesn’t hurt his ankle in the offseason LSU beats Wisconsin and Auburn and there is another undefeated clash of unbeatens on the first weekend of November, this time in Baton Rouge.
But even with those two losses, LSU still roars through those awful run defenses in October and sets up the showdown with Saban for the lead in the West. And that is a reckoning that the man that won at one of the best rates in SEC history deserved.
Miles wasn’t fired too late, he was fired too early. Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 7:54 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Tiger Voodoo
Just kidding!
agreed! But wow you talky!Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Name another NC winning coach that wasn’t given at least the respect to finish his final season. I honestly can’t think of a single example. And it isn’t like the wheels had fallen off and we were barely sneaking into bowl games at 6-6. Miles couldn’t beat Saban, and lost to Arkansas twice in a row the week after Alabama. Those two games were his downfall. That allowed the firestorm to burn out of control, and Joe Alleva wasn’t smart or strong enough to look at the big picture.
i agree the wheels hadnt fallen off but we started having unacceptable losses at to high a rate. a coach lasting 10 years is the outlier. he had a good run and in the end was loyal to a fault. loyal to the scheme he bad grown up with. had he kept recruiting ,hired a spread coach, and stopped coaching scared in regards to using the middle of the field on passing plays,he would still be here
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:14 pm to Ooh Wee Ooh
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That said, it was a good decision to part ways with him when we did.
Actually it wasn't. Joe should have been gone before we made the change. This was easy to see coming.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:37 pm to Patches
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Stumbled, mumbled his way into success.
Oh for frick's sake.
114 wins in just over 11 years. 3 Western Division titles, 2 SEC Championships, two Nation Championships appearances and winning one.
And you say that Saban was so good that he set Miles up for all of that. You mean the same Saban that went 9-3 his final year at LSU, losing the bowl game and finishing 16th in the nation, one year after winning the NC?
Saban did a great job while he was at LSU, but you fools that want to give him all the credit for what happened after he bolted town are just that, fools.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:38 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Damn Voodoo. That’s the best breakdown of Les’ downfall that I ever read. Deserves its own post.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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we started having unacceptable losses at to high a rate
We’re pretty much always on the same page, I just think that is a false narrative that the Miles bashers have screamed so long and so loud that we’ve kind of become numb to how untrue it is and don’t usually bother to dispute because it’s over and done with.
And if we had even a marginally respectable head coach at the moment, I wouldn’t bother to now either.
But I don’t think we had any unacceptable losses in 2012 or 2013. Ole Miss in 13 was a bitter pill at the time because of the narrative about the freshman starting, but that class went on to prove how good they were over their careers in Oxford. And a last second FG loss on the road to an 8 win team clearly on the upswing under a good new head coach isn’t unacceptable.
2014 was rough for sure, with MSU, Auburn, and Arkansas all being pretty much “unacceptable”. But that happened to be perhaps the toughest year in SEC history at a time when we were relying on a great but true freshman class to be the stars and leaders of the team. MSU was a very good team, ranked #1 for over a month finishing top 10, with Auburn ranked top 5 for most of the year as well. Still, those were ugly losses no doubt.
After that, 2015 was a stellar year until the November collapse. Losing to Alabama once again sucked, but certainly wasn’t unacceptable.
So it came down to Arkansas and Ole Miss, and that was all the ammo Alleva needed to try to oust him. Nevermind that OM won 10 games that year and Arkansas was an 8 win team as well playing well under Bert at that point.
Five games in two years, and the fuse was lit. Never mind the decade and 100+ games of winning at one of the highest rates in SEC history, two “unacceptable” losses to Arkansas was all it took to the build the pyre and light the fire.
Neither of the losses in 2016 were unacceptable. Tough to swallow, like any loss when expectations are so high, but nothing to justify the witch hunt Alleva allowed go down.
Of course you have to go back to 1/9 to get to the real root of the animosity towards Miles for the fans, and the extension that Alleva felt made him look like a clown.
So how does he try to erase that regret?? By giving a ridiculous contract to a ridiculous failure of a head coach that had been whispering in his ear since the day Miles pulled him off the shrimp boat less than two years before.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 6:18 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:46 pm to rattlebucket
Dude, love the I’m a man reference, but Hallman had a 16-28 record outside of Brett Farve followed by 4 losing seasons of high school football. While I concede Les left the program in a better position than Archer you must concede the SEC was no where near as tough then as the SEC West is today.
Until the wheels fall off for O, and I’d guess he’d get fired before he had even one losing season, I’ll never get the chance to think he’s worse than Hallman.
Until the wheels fall off for O, and I’d guess he’d get fired before he had even one losing season, I’ll never get the chance to think he’s worse than Hallman.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:52 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Two very well written posts and I certainly respect your opinion, but I do think it was time for Les to go. I think Alleva gave him a chance to prove he could modernize in 2016 and unfortunately Les showed he just wasn't ready to do that. IMO nothing proves that point more than when he said the way to beat Bama is to "attack their strength and make them bend their will" on ESPN live.
I honestly think the fact that LSU was still in the SEC West race is the reason he had to be fired then. IMO he wasn't giving the players the best chance to win and the players deserved a change. I just hate that it all led to where we are now. Hopefully this guy gets it together somehow.
I honestly think the fact that LSU was still in the SEC West race is the reason he had to be fired then. IMO he wasn't giving the players the best chance to win and the players deserved a change. I just hate that it all led to where we are now. Hopefully this guy gets it together somehow.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:54 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Les has played his firing better than anyone would’ve thought though.
Hasn’t bashed LSU, blamed LSU, or even said anything negative against the University or althetic department.
Instead, he’s stayed involved in the local community, openly continues to root for the Tigers and has continued being himself.
History will be very kind to him
Hasn’t bashed LSU, blamed LSU, or even said anything negative against the University or althetic department.
Instead, he’s stayed involved in the local community, openly continues to root for the Tigers and has continued being himself.
History will be very kind to him
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:58 pm to dgnx6
quote:Not gonna argue with that. I had no faith in Alleva after hiring Trent Johnson and Johnny Jones.
Actually it wasn't. Joe should have been gone before we made the change.
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This was easy to see coming.
As awful as his past hires were, I don't think promoting Ed 0 was easy to see coming. He had zero qualifications to be head coach.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:06 pm to TigerLunatik
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I certainly respect your opinion, but I do think it was time for Les to go.
Like I said and posted before the season, if Miles doesn’t win the West in 2016, I’d help him pack. Respectfully, but it would have been time. No question.
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Alleva gave him a chance to prove he could modernize in 2016 and unfortunately Les showed he just wasn't ready to do that
If LF doesn’t hurt his ankle two weeks before Wisconsin, who knows how the offense looks in those early games?
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I honestly think the fact that LSU was still in the SEC West race is the reason he had to be fired then. IMO he wasn't giving the players the best chance to win and the players deserved a change.
I bought into that hysteria at the time to an extent as well. It was a mirage. Miles had weathered the SEC storms for over a decade. Missouri, Southern Miss, and Ole Miss weren’t going to do anything to throw us off course.
If Miles is coaching those blowouts, while Wisconsin and Auburn keep winning and climbing into the top 10 like they did showing that those weren’t bad losses, all of a sudden everyone is right back on board for the November showdown against Alabama in Tiger Stadium in Fournette’s last shot against them before taking the NFL by storm.
O was at the right place at the right time and his sycophants continue to use those three games to bolster his credibility to this very day as if he somehow transformed the team from Monday after the Auburn game to Saturday against Missouri.
Again, it was a ridiculous mirage that we all just accepted because of the turmoil since the last November when Alleva set it all in motion.
Miles deserved that season, Atlanta or bust.
We’ll never know how it would have played out, but Alleva and his hand picked successor deserve to be haunted by that question until they raise a championship banner of their own.
Respect to you as well Lunatik, always like reading your posts, as well as Rick’s
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:12 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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O was at the right place at the right time
No one can argue this fact. That dude won the lottery.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:34 pm to jrodLSUke
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Damn Voodoo. That’s the best breakdown of Les’ downfall that I ever read. Deserves its own post.
I appreciate that, but I’ve hesitated to post a lot about Miles. He’s gone and there isn’t much point in dwelling on it.
Those of us that defend Miles usually only do it in threads where the CheeriOs bring him up and try to blame him or deflect from Os failures by bringing up Miles’. Well, Miles was fired, so comparing O to him doesn’t bode well for his future either.
It’s rare that a thread like this pops up specifically to praise Miles, so figured it was as good a place as any to put it. Although clearly I’ve thought about this quite a bit
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:35 pm to Tiger Voodoo
They knew they had to fire Les when they did because the schedule was easing up and they knew he very likely was about to rack up some wins and regain support.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 9:39 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Those of us that defend Miles usually only do it in threads where the CheeriOs bring him up and try to blame him or deflect from Os failures by bringing up Miles’.
This right here. Very well said, my friend. I never even liked Miles and I seem to find myself defending him almost daily.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:31 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Frick what anyone says he had us relevant
Posted on 4/18/18 at 10:31 pm to EXPLAYER
LSUs failure to beat Bama the last few years is ONE of the big reasons whay we lose kids to the evil empire. When Miles got to LSU almost all local kids and kids from near by states,wanted to attend LSU because of Sabans hard work , putting us on the football map. I was not a Les fan but also didn't pull against him,ever . . Met him at Auburn game at Auburn, really nice person. He was giddy because it was game that we won in last few minutes . Lee threw last second touchdown. At that minute I was totally fooled and thought Lee would one day lead us to,the promise land.Actually the following year when JJ got suspended but Les put him in after Lee played so well is when he lost me.
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