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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:45 am to sabes que
Thanks. Now what if the mobile QB can't put the ball where it needs to be when passing? You just going to run zone reads all game?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:45 am to sabes que
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So the decision of a nickel corner is unaffected whether it’s Lamar Jackson or Matt Ryan faking the handoff?
You're not reading the nickel. The play I referenced again wouldn't matter. If the nickel is playing straight man, his eyes shouldn't be in the backfield. If he's a flat or edge player, he won't be chasing that slot across the field.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:46 am to TeddyPadillac
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A mobile QB is better for RPO
RPO only works if the QB is a legit passing threat.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:46 am to sportsfan
Then why is it a play at all? Since you have it figured out?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:48 am to PureBlood
Obviously, but also works better if a running threat as well, as the defense has to commit another defender to stopping the potential run.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:51 am to sabes que
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He’s more likely to bite on run if the QB is mobile, do you understand?
This is not a hard concept to grasp. A RPO starts with the QB doing a action towards handing the ball of to the RB. This and only this is the time the key defender has to make a decision to either go after RB or stay in their zone to cover a pass. The mobility of the QB has zero to do with this.
A zone read is a play that QB mobility does come into play as the QB does an action toward handing it off and then reads the key defender and keeps if the key defender goes towards the RB. There is no pass option off of this play.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:51 am to sabes que
You have zero knowledge of football. RPO doesn't need a dual threat QB to be effective. All you need is a running threat from your RBs. The QB makes the read, and then decides what to do with it.
Obviously if you have a QB who can do both it adds another layer that's very hard to guard against. If Nuss keeps up what he's doing he'll be the best option in the offense. If you can run but can't pass a pocket passing QB who can make good reads and have solid RB support is the better option in an RPO. Based on what Daniels showed in spring game he's not enough of a threat throwing the ball to start which is the #1 priority for any QB.
Obviously if you have a QB who can do both it adds another layer that's very hard to guard against. If Nuss keeps up what he's doing he'll be the best option in the offense. If you can run but can't pass a pocket passing QB who can make good reads and have solid RB support is the better option in an RPO. Based on what Daniels showed in spring game he's not enough of a threat throwing the ball to start which is the #1 priority for any QB.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:51 am to sabes que
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so if the nickel or linebacker has to respect the QB keep, he is more vulnerable
And if he keys on the QB, what then?
Because a QB on the run who was 3/9 in a toned down spring game isnt ever going to keep the defense from stopping the run first, in your scenario
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:53 am to 5Alive
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Its a cute concept until you have a robber walking down that slant post snap with 1 saftey high. What do you do then? shite the bed?
Are we going to play last man with the chalk? Obviously the defense can have an answer for everything they know is coming and vice versa. But to answer your question, there are multiple things to do there: double slant reading inside out, trips running spot with 2 and holding the safety with 3 going vertical, spot/bubble to widen the field for the crashing safety, run a playside concept opposite of the rolling safety. What defense are we breaking down so I can give you a better answer?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:55 am to sabes que
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He’s started 30 games and never been hurt.
PAC12 Defensive Linemen aren't SEC Defensive Linemen. Different breed here. Apples to oranges.
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Brennan was tackled by a deck and was out for the year.
If you hate MB just say so.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:58 am to sabes que
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The threat of the zone read QB keep opens up the pass on the RPO
The LB and safeties are drawn in by the run action and the OL blocking down.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:58 am to sabes que
A mobile QB is better for everything if he can throw.
I’ll say this. Brennan isn’t rushing for 1000 yards but if you absolutely ignore him on a read option he could get 10 yards.
He has 9 Carries in 2019 and positive yardage.
I’ll say this. Brennan isn’t rushing for 1000 yards but if you absolutely ignore him on a read option he could get 10 yards.
He has 9 Carries in 2019 and positive yardage.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:59 am to sabes que
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Then why is it a play at all? Since you have it figured out?
What are you talking about? Why is what a play? The RPO, the Zone Read? Because both are effective depending on what you are trying to accomplish. Both make the defense have to pick their poison. I don't think anyone will disagree that a mobile QB in today's game is helpful in many circumstances. But quick thinking and accuracy is more important in the RPO game.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:00 am to Lester Earl
I agree with you athleticism is important. Georgia was an anomaly winning. Since playoffs started it has mostly been QBs who can use their feet for extra yards or buy time for the throws. Mobile is important but it's more to gain the next level like you said championships because it adds an additional layer. Mobile is not needed to run an RPO obviously.
We only got small sample sizes but Nuss looks like he's ahead of Daniels and Brennan right now. He also gives you the extra layer with the feet. We'll see if that consistency continues. I'm impressed with his progression so far. I think Brennan gets the start with a short leash. He has the deep ball accuracy and the RBs look like they're poised to be good this year. If Daniels wants to be anything here he better work on his accuracy otherwise he's going to stay riding the pine.
We only got small sample sizes but Nuss looks like he's ahead of Daniels and Brennan right now. He also gives you the extra layer with the feet. We'll see if that consistency continues. I'm impressed with his progression so far. I think Brennan gets the start with a short leash. He has the deep ball accuracy and the RBs look like they're poised to be good this year. If Daniels wants to be anything here he better work on his accuracy otherwise he's going to stay riding the pine.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:00 am to LMfan
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The LB and safeties are drawn in by the run action and the OL blocking down.
You also aren’t releasing a defender in the run scheme to get numbers like you are in a Read Option.
You leave that read end defender unblocked in a read option to get running numbers in the handoff. You the reason whether he chases the RB on the back end or stays with the QB.
You of course CAN do this on a RPO too.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:00 am to 5Alive
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Its a cute concept until you have a robber walking down that slant post snap with 1 saftey high. What do you do then? shite the bed?
So if the defense guesses your play perfect and makes a play then there isn’t anything you can really do.
If a defense has a one high safety and rolls him down post snap then they are playing cover zero. If they guess right then good on them but if they are wrong then you have both your corners on an island.
This post was edited on 4/28/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:02 am to LMfan
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The LB and safeties are drawn in by the run action and the OL blocking down.
This. Defender keys are not always the QB or the RB action. They read the linemen first then to the backfield.
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:02 am to bayou85
Don’t hate him at all, just responding to a criticism of Daniels being too thin. Which one had been more injury prone? IYO?
Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:04 am to sabes que
People who act like someone doesn't know football because he suggests that a running QB helps a RPO kill me.
An RPO is no different than any other offense in the fact that a mobile QB adds options and forces the defense to consider those options. QB mobility was a factor before RPOs and Read Options existed. Sure, RPO stands for Run Pass Option, and the running doesn't have to be by the QB. However, with a mobile QB, you could call it an RRPO, because he can hand it off, run it himself, or pass it. It doesn't take an NFL coach to recognize that 3 options are harder to defend than 2 options.
All of that said, the QB must first be able to make quick reads and accurate passes. If I have two guys who are identical in those aspects, I'll take the mobile QB. If the statue is better at reading and passing, give me the statue all day long.
An RPO is no different than any other offense in the fact that a mobile QB adds options and forces the defense to consider those options. QB mobility was a factor before RPOs and Read Options existed. Sure, RPO stands for Run Pass Option, and the running doesn't have to be by the QB. However, with a mobile QB, you could call it an RRPO, because he can hand it off, run it himself, or pass it. It doesn't take an NFL coach to recognize that 3 options are harder to defend than 2 options.
All of that said, the QB must first be able to make quick reads and accurate passes. If I have two guys who are identical in those aspects, I'll take the mobile QB. If the statue is better at reading and passing, give me the statue all day long.
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