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re: All College Basketball is dead not just LSU
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:43 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:43 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
I agree, playing in actual games, even against college players, is better development for an 18 year old than sitting at the end of an NBA bench.
I do think the rule is stupid though. like SFP said, you can't deny a kid the right to make money.
I do think the rule is stupid though. like SFP said, you can't deny a kid the right to make money.
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Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:44 pm to Lester Earl
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I agree, playing in actual games, even against college players, is better development for an 18 year old than sitting at the end of an NBA bench.
the darko/euro dilemma
but in reality, you're not playing the same game. especially with the huge prevalence of zone D in CBB
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:52 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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just wiki'd him...says the NCAA agreed to reinstate him. not sure if there is an actual rule for it or not.
Yea, that makes sense.
This rule would have to be put in place I think. A lot of kids would try to go pro and not get drafted, and then they could only go play in Europe.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but in reality, you're not playing the same game. especially with the huge prevalence of zone D in CBB
Should be outlawed.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:54 pm to BayouBengals03
and move the 3 point line back to NBA-levels
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:55 pm to Lester Earl
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you can't deny a kid the right to make money.
right, but you when you say that, you mean the courts can't, right? I mean, if the NBA in their collective bargaining agreement says essentially they want three years experience playing college BB, it would then become a job requirement, not age discrimination. No different than any job listing their respective requirements.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:57 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
nobody is debating the legality, just the assholishness it would be if the NBA denied the kids the opportunity to make money
the NBA doesn't want kids in college that long anyway. they only wanted kids in for 1 year to get free pub, essentially
everyone knew who kevin durant was after his freshman year
the NBA doesn't want kids in college that long anyway. they only wanted kids in for 1 year to get free pub, essentially
everyone knew who kevin durant was after his freshman year
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:58 pm to BayouBengals03
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This rule would have to be put in place I think.
isn't this similar to how the MLB draft is structured relative to college baseball? If they don't like where they're at out of HS, they can go to college. Same after fresh year, they can get drafted and go back...but then they have to stay until after their jr year.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 6:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and move the 3 point line back to NBA-levels
fricking yes. No one I tell this too agrees with me.
It should be moved back to the NBA line, or maybe 1 foot in front of the NBA line. The mid-range jumper is gone in college.
College teams are nearly always one of two extremes. Either they can shoot the 3 ball really good, or they can't shoot it at all and they just get 2-3 zone played against them all the time.
College basketball rewards the teams who can shoot too much. Move the line back.
This post was edited on 1/23/11 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 1/23/11 at 7:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and move the 3 point line back to NBA-levels
this, or getting rid of it altogether.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 7:00 pm to BayouBengals03
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It should be moved back to the NBA line, or maybe 1 foot in front of the NBA line. The mid-range jumper is gone in college.
i'm all for eliminating the 3 point line in college, actually
Posted on 1/23/11 at 7:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm all for eliminating the 3 point line in college, actually
Yea, but we have to be realistic. We all know that won't happen.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 7:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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nobody is debating the legality, just the assholishness it would be if the NBA denied the kids the opportunity to make money
right i understand...i was just saying there was a time kids would have sued for the right to play...then the NFL put it in their CBA and that was that.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 7:58 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
Right, but nobody is denying anyone the right to earn a living. They are free to either conform to the job requirements of their prospective employers, or seek another line of work.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 8:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but in reality, you're not playing the same game. especially with the huge prevalence of zone D in CBB
and if you go to NBA and aren't playing at all..........?
I think its safe to say that going to college doesnt hinder a player's development.
whereas going into the NBA and being the 10th guy on the bench for 2-3 seasons or longer could be detrimental to both the player and the team.
I think as far as Darko, he just isn't as good as people thought.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 8:09 pm to Lester Earl
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I think its safe to say that going to college doesnt hinder a player's development.
it can if you're a tweener
CBB coaches are there to win games for the college. they will put the player at the best spot for their team
for example, howland put westbrook at the 2 instead of the point, and had westbrook stayed there, he would not be the same player right now. not even close
skilled big men also get similar treatment. since they're tall, they are forced down low, when they should be playing near the perimeter
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whereas going into the NBA and being the 10th guy on the bench for 2-3 seasons or longer could be detrimental to both the player and the team.
i don't know how detrimental this is. take a nick young. he developed just fine and when he got his shot, he's producing
if playing time meant so much, more senior CBB players would excel in the NBA
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I think as far as Darko, he just isn't as good as people thought.
he wasn't, and that was b/c of a lack of playing time. amazing workout player, but he hadn't learned the game. that was the problem with that generation of euros
in america it's not the same, b/c these kids have been playing basketball for years. but that's another discussion
i will say i don't think sitting on the bench and learning your position (which is a lot of fundamentals, against what most people believe) will hurt you as much as you think
to me, letting guys run ape shite in college can lead to bad habits, which are really hard to correct
Posted on 1/23/11 at 8:11 pm to BraveTiger225
I don't like college ball due to things like three guard line-ups, 6'7 centers, an abundance of unathletic white guys, and few players who can actually dunk the ball.
Posted on 1/23/11 at 8:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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for example, howland put westbrook at the 2 instead of the point, and had westbrook stayed there, he would not be the same player right now. not even close
well he also had Darren Collison, who was a true point. Westbrook was there for 2 years. He still handled the ball a lot too.
A natural talent like him can make a seamless transition to the NBA, even if he played out of position.
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i don't know how detrimental this is. take a nick young. he developed just fine and when he got his shot, he's producing
nick Young was a 3 year college player and is in his 4th year in the NBA before he has done anything. He is 25 years old. Not sure the relevance with him.
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if playing time meant so much, more senior CBB players would excel in the NBA
well the best players never make it to their SR years. Though it seems a lot of role players in the NBA were guys that stayed in college.
I think 1-2 years in college even for the most talented HS kid is good for them.
99% of kids straight out of HS don't make an impact in year 1. It's usually year 3 or 4 before they are NBA ready anyway.
Posted on 1/24/11 at 8:24 am to JabarkusRussell
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I don't like college ball due to things like three guard line-ups, 6'7 centers, an abundance of unathletic white guys, and few players who can actually dunk the ball.
lol you're watching HS ball...
not that there's anything wrong with it...
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