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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:29 pm to wahoocs
I mean, I get wanting to win the first game, but even if we started Poche we'd be at a disadvantage on the mound. We only put up 3 runs, there's no guarantee that if we start Poche we win. If you do that and lose game 1 to Singer, you're fricked.
We were going to be at a disadvantage one of the first two games having to go to the bullpen. Its unfortunate but injuries put us in that spot. We took a chance to see if we could steal game 1 and leave ourselves in a good position to win the next two if it didn't work out. It was the right call.
We were going to be at a disadvantage one of the first two games having to go to the bullpen. Its unfortunate but injuries put us in that spot. We took a chance to see if we could steal game 1 and leave ourselves in a good position to win the next two if it didn't work out. It was the right call.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:35 pm to wahoocs
So, who are you hoocs? Sounds like you're the Great Karnak with all that advance knowledge.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:36 pm to Cap Crunch
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We were going to be at a disadvantage one of the first two games having to go to the bullpen. Its unfortunate but injuries put us in that spot. We took a chance to see if we could steal game 1 and leave ourselves in a good position to win the next two if it didn't work out. It was the right call.
Don't waste your time. It's been 8 pages and he still can't grasp it.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:41 pm to im4LSU
There's only one poster in 8 pages from the discussion last night to come back and say after the game that he stands by his thoughts
That's what this thread was about
Nothing else
That's what this thread was about
Nothing else
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:47 pm to wahoocs
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Losing tonight makes LSU loose and ready, while FL winning makes them tight?
It's a best-of-three. Based on the pitching matchups, Florida was at their greatest advantage for Game 1: one of their weekend starters, vs our bullpen crew, the guys who couldn't handle Tulane and UNO this season. They won the game... by one run, with LSU in position to catch them late.
For the next two games, Florida is forced to start from their pen, and we now have rotated back around to our weekend guys.
If you just go by common reasoning, their most decisive win should have been tonight. The fact that they only won by 1 should cause a little anxiety on their part, and confidence on ours.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:47 pm to kack44blade
Just someone in this circumstance that felt throwing your best arm on the same days rest you plan on giving your ace in an if possible game would have been your best chance to win
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:49 pm to wahoocs
Such a retard
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:49 pm to wahoocs
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No way
It's all historical odds.
Down 1-0 is 4W and 10L
Seriously? No, you're right. The guys in Vegas said that they EXPECTED LSU TO LOSE TONIGHT but win it all, but they're going to change their opinions on that because they lost tonight AS EXPECTED. Has it occurred to you that the reason that Florida was favored tonight was because of the pitching match up and the reason that LSU is favored the next two games is because of the pitching matchups? If anything, I would favor LSU MORE because they took Florida's best shot and STILL nearly won that thing! Oh, and in case you forgot, LSU beat two of Oregon State's best pitchers to get here after losing their first game, and worked in a win against Florida State in between.
Oh, and as for the "historical statistic" that 71% of game one winners win the whole thing is a lazy and somewhat meaningless stat if not taken in context. If you look more closely:
1.) The last two years, the game one loser won the whole thing
2.) LSU has never made it to the title series and NOT won it all
3.) In the last 14 years, 10 of the champions won the first game (71%). HOWEVER, of those 10, 7 teams swept their side of the bracket and HAD THEIR STARTING PITCHERS AVAILABLE FOR TWO OF THE GAMES.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:51 pm to wahoocs
We win 2moro we'll win on Wed. and I could give 2 shits what the frick Vegas says because LSU, when it comes to elimination games, is a completely different kinda cat...
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:51 pm to wahoocs
Wow, I can't believe you're still going on with this! You are wrong, you are the only 1 with this position! Idiot.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:06 am to bayouman
Look dude, it wasn't an easy call by no means. Still infinitely debatable, but now in retrospect, I think most people who consider themselves baseball guys would concede that they would like to have seen Poche start tonight.
And maybe not.
But those willing to discuss it last night, don't want to discuss it tonight for the most part.
And that's okay.
And maybe not.
But those willing to discuss it last night, don't want to discuss it tonight for the most part.
And that's okay.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 12:34 am to wahoocs
quote:I still think we made the right move, and here's my reasoning:
Look dude, it wasn't an easy call by no means. Still infinitely debatable, but now in retrospect, I think most people who consider themselves baseball guys would concede that they would like to have seen Poche start tonight.
And maybe not.
But those willing to discuss it last night, don't want to discuss it tonight for the most part.
And that's okay.
Singer was dealing, in order to win we had to hold them under 3. It isn't necessarily a given that Poche does that, he's pitched a few innings now, and he could use the rest to get as right as possible.
If you go with Poche in game 1, it's definitely all on him... you then have to go to the bullpen in game 2, so Poche has to fight through any jams, and at least get past the 7th.
We've gotten past the bullpen game, and in theory, Bush and Newman (who got some confidence back) can go again if need be, and you still have Peterson and Bain. And of course, buying Hess another day too.
So now, we get a more-rested Poche going against a more extended Florida pen... I don't think (and I hope) they will hold us down as much as Singer did, so Poche has more room to work with, and the coaches have a better idea of how many arms they can use in case he falters.
I believe Game 2 is the game to win. If we win, I think we roll in game 3. If they win, well obviously... they win. But I'd almost bet Florida plays game 2 like an elimation game, quick to the hook to avoid a breakout if they can... and I think it will backfire if they do.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:19 am to wahoocs
If we were to win this after Walker going down, it was going to be on the backs of a Poche and Lange.
Put the series in their hands and give them the best opportunity to win.
That's what CPM did.
Rested Poche + rested Hess will be hell for UF if they swing the bat like they did tonight.
Put the series in their hands and give them the best opportunity to win.
That's what CPM did.
Rested Poche + rested Hess will be hell for UF if they swing the bat like they did tonight.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 1:26 am to wahoocs
I say screw it give both an extra days of rest.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 2:31 am to wahoocs
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But in your heart of hearts, in your soul, do you think we lose tonight if Poche starts, after what you witnessed?
Probably. We lost because Reynolds stayed in 2 batters too long and was replaced by a guy who gives up 2 WHIP.
Poche may gave given up even more runs. There's no way of knowing.
I was pissed with the 4th inning pitching decisions and IMO that's what cost us the game.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 2:33 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 3:20 am to wahoocs
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All those for Poche getting an extra day
Wait a second
The argument is we can't pitch Poche on 4 days rest
How many days rest will Lange have?
What you, the genius that started this thread fail to take into account is:
1. Poche already has pitched on short rest in the CWS. Pitched in game 1 against FSU (June 17th) and came back on 3 days rest to pitch against FSU (June 21st). Pitching him back to back on short rest is astronomically stupid.
2. A well rested Poche against Johnny Wholestaff is a better match-up for LSU than the scenario outlined in #1 above.
3. Lange got full rest between pitching June 17th and June 23rd. One less day in a winner take all scenario is optimal over pitching two pitchers on short rest if Poche was to have pitched game 1 of championship series as you morons suggest, when Poche would be pitching back to back on short rest.
To OP - you were wrong last night and you doubled down on stupid today/tonight. I'm glad you are a fan and not coaching this team.
ETA: PS, your assumption that Poche would have pitched well tonight is just that: an assumption.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 3:31 am
Posted on 6/27/17 at 5:52 am to wahoocs
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There's only one poster in 8 pages from the discussion last night to come back and say after the game that he stands by his thoughts
Congrats. But your thoughts are wrong and dont give us the best chance to win the whole thing. Youre just too dense to understand
Posted on 6/27/17 at 6:06 am to wahoocs
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Vegas says 10 out of 14 teams that win first game take the series?
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What say you now?
I say, What does Vegas say the odds are on teams that win the second game?
We could aim Poche at either game - 4 days rest or 5. Agains great pitching or against good pitching. Manieri decided to lay his money on 5 days rest and against the lesser pitching. Excellent decision. Hopefully it works.
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