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Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:02 pm to dukke v
Fact of the matter is that LSU and it's fans deserve better than Miles or Orgeron.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:15 pm to magicman0001
quote:Overall, solid post. Making Alleva associate HC was probably O's best decision. His saving grace, but that genie cannot be held in the bottle forever, just like that elite secondary that will probably never be replaced as reserves diminish in the next couple of NFL drafts.
Let's kick this dead horse one more fricking time, because it hasn't been addressed in a few days.. Shall we? Here we go..
-Recruiting: Do we really need to answer that? Not sure where you came from or where you've been for -let's say- the past 20 years, but O has been known to be one of the best recruiters in the country.. for literally DECADES.. smmfh I'm astounded that you would even require this in our refutation.. Wait.. no I'm not.
-Talent/Player development: I don't expect O to be involved in developing all of the talent brought in. Maybe assist with the the D-line.. I thought it was common knowledge that the HC hires what they call "Position coaches" and Coordinators to do this job. I expect him to leave that to his coaches (which he appears to be doing a great job handling up to this point) I'm not understanding why you would demand this in the rebuttal, but whatever.. Here it is.
-Strategy/coordinator retention: I realize you were absent for the 25 years (at least in mind) while O was being labeled across the country as one of the best recruiters in college football, so I understand how you missed this one. O has mentioned in countless interviews, press conferences, etc how he has learned from his mistakes, always taking notes from the great coaches he's worked for.. assessing pros/cons, strengths/weaknesses, etc of being a HC- so he would know what he should/shouldn't do if ever given the chance to be a HC again. Considering the HCs he's worked for, and with the understanding that people DO learn from their mistakes and try to make improvements (unless you're Les Miles or half you knucklheads in tRant who can't read, comprehend, understand, retain information), I believe he has quite a bit of information to build around. I also think with the time he's spent as an interim coach, he's shown he can deal with emotions and manage a program in despair at the drop of a hat.
As someone already mentioned, he's set offensive records using a position coach as interim coordinator who hasn't been a coordinator in decades. ..Which means he had to fire the coordinator we had already- to do this. He gave Aranda a raise and made him an associate HC in hopes of having him stick around. Then hired one of the best/hottest OCs in the country to replace the deadbeat he fired. And so far he hasn't wasted ANY TIME replacing coaches who leave ..with other great coaches- I might add. Coordinator retention: Time will tell. But so far he's shown he's damn sure capable. Not sure why we're discussing this, either. I find it comical that this isn't even a stipulation for HC hiring, but you require it in this assessment for O's approval.
-Winning/Championships: Winning? Seriously??
9-3 <--there's a few wins..
Championships: Since when did winning championships become a prerequisite to getting hired as a HC? How many active coaches have championships? How many active coaches have been to the CFB playoff?
Most of the info you demanded in our rebuttal is totally useless when compared to 95% of the other coaches in CFB.
Allow me to blow your "championship" innuendo out of the water: Here's a little fun fact for you to stare at. Saban is the only HC in the playoff who's won a championship at a previous school as a HC. In fact, Saban is the ONLY HC in the playoff that even HAD HC experience before being hired as the HC @ Bama. None of the other HCs in this playoff had previous HC experience before being hired at their current jobs. I'll argue this point from another angle: How many Championships had Dabo won as a head coach prior to his hiring? How many had Riley won prior to being hired at OU? How many had Kirby won prior to being hired at UGA? But please, don't hesitate to throw that in your OP to prove your baseless point..
I hope this broke things down for you without the "emotion" you were so worried that people would include. Not like it hasn't been done numerous times in countless other threads since last year. Take a little bit of time out of your day and read a few of them.. It will be an enlightening experience for you.
On that note, search is your friend.. use it. Stop regurgitating the same tired God damn bullshite. This issue has been drug around the Rant since before O was even hired as the HC, and is still recycled at least once/twice a fricking week to this day. I'm sure you could've searched the topics and found the answers you were looking for. God knows there's plenty of them.
And spare yourself this false sense of accomplishment that you seem to believe your OP has given you. You haven't done a God damn thing that hasn't already been done at LEAST 1000 fricking times. What the frick makes yours so special?
Speaking of, with early signing day coming to a close, how is recruiting doing since losing Les? How do you explain the reported controversy between Canada and O? Can't imagine him having feuds like that with the associate HC leaked, or it would be his neck.
Why are you content with being 9-3 with O and not under Les?
I'm assuming these notes he took under such legendary HCs as Carroll were transferred over to the binder? I'll be back for the rest, magic man.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:37 pm to VooDude
You said no emotion in this thread...
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:52 pm to dukke v
Because they’re not all FACTS, and some of his facts are DUBIOUS in nature.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:04 pm to Dlab2013
Easy
The game passed him by.
He done a great job for the program throughout his whole time, but it was time.
I don't know if O was the best hire at the time but we weren't clearly getting guys like Herman or fisher or even gruden like many of the Ranters wanted
The game passed him by.
He done a great job for the program throughout his whole time, but it was time.
I don't know if O was the best hire at the time but we weren't clearly getting guys like Herman or fisher or even gruden like many of the Ranters wanted
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:20 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So they pale in comparison to Miles’s, right?
In year one for Both? Yes miles has 1 less loss with 10xs more talent.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:21 pm to OU812
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Fact of the matter is that LSU and it's fans deserve better than Miles or Orgeron.
So who should we have hired back in 2005????
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:24 pm to tiogatiger19
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Yes miles has 1 less loss with 10xs more talent.
And also won the west with ZERO bye weeks and had A hurricane to deal with... O did neither......
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:24 pm to tiogatiger19
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In year one for Both? Yes miles has 1 less loss with 10xs more talent.
I said in the aggregate.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Because they’re not all FACTS, and some of his facts are DUBIOUS in nature.
ANYTHING to hate on the coach for the team you MAY root for....
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:26 pm to lsucoonass
quote:What about us crazy people who wanted Aranda or even Leach?
Easy
The game passed him by.
He done a great job for the program throughout his whole time, but it was time.
I don't know if O was the best hire at the time but we weren't clearly getting guys like Herman or fisher or even gruden like many of the Ranters wanted
Hilarious that people are giving Les shite, not having a job. How many years did O have between HC gigs? Really speaks volumes to how he's perceived nationally.... He spent the years many coaches are ascending as HC's (early-mid 40's), as a position coach. He's never been trusted by a program to even be a coordinator.
You can have some short-lived success being a program cheerleader keeping optimism high, getting "buy in", etc. Particularly if energy was low in the program, even toxic, prior to the hire. Sound familiar?
Fact remains, LSU is allocating millions of dollars to a coach who does not know X's and O's. That's a disadvantage that isn't going away. Other programs have great OC's, DC's, AND a HC who can actually give input when it matters. The O hire is fundamentally a built-in disadvantage. This will bare out in due time.
Again, this isn't saying that Les was setting the football landscape ablaze with his genius offense, but to act like Orgeron is an upgrade is bullshite. Your upgrade is someone who gets out of the way of other coaches? Other than for image, what's the point of the HC position?
Look at the landscape in the West. Alabama, Auburn, A&M, and even MSU are all headed up by guys who proved themselves as coordinators.
MSU is a tough place to win, so LSU likely outcompetes them, but otherwise, to think LSU gets any higher than 3rd or 4th in the years to come will require O to fundamentally evolve in his mid 50's. Believe what you want, but I'm not waiting for the light bulb to suddenly turn on. Time is ticking.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:27 pm to dukke v
What?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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Two of Troy's touchdowns came on their first drive of each half. Worn out to start the game and the 2nd half?
Did you even watch that game?
2 picks and a fumble in the second half alone. They had 180 yds in the second half and 363 for the game. 202 in the ground with a TOP of 34 min.
They scored on their opening drive of the second half to go up 24-7.
WTF do you being up shite for?
This was all on the offense stinking like a hot pile of dog shite. Hell, they fumbled and we scored on a 4 yd TD.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:31 pm to VooDude
ESPN?????
STFU dude..........................
STFU dude..........................
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:36 pm to dukke v
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And also won the west with ZERO bye weeks and had A hurricane to deal with... O did neither......
With no saban....well a saban developed team to play with, but no Saban to to play against
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:40 pm to tiogatiger19
He also didn’t play like 6 teams that fired their coaches that year.
And win the division and and lost his second game in the SEC championship NOT to fricking Troy at home in September.
And win the division and and lost his second game in the SEC championship NOT to fricking Troy at home in September.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
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And win the division and and lost his second game in the SEC championship NOT to fricking Troy at home in September.
You do realize Miles had to pull one out of his arse to not lose to Troy at home? Lets not compare the two by their games against troy.
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