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re: Concrete Cleats Finley
Posted on 10/1/21 at 8:45 am to HotTakes
Posted on 10/1/21 at 8:45 am to HotTakes
First throw you linked looks like a dime with a bad WR. Placement is beautiful. Second play was a roll out and pass completed for the first down.
What outcome would decide who is right? I think LSU wins fairly easily, and hope we skull drag them, because we have a lot of highly touted recruits watching this game.
Your post claims Finley has concrete cleats, which I assume is just your phrase of the week, because you stated the same thing in another post saying Deculus has “concrete cleats” I see you’ve also deleted that post.
You mentioned his 1.2 YPC. Max was praised for his mobility, I’m not quite sure where his mobility went. His accuracy is better than Finley’s, but he throws the weakest deep ball that I’ve seen in a while. Everyone stated how against CMU his deep ball would be intercepted in the SEC. That was proven correct against Mississippi state.
Max is a very good QB. His stats are impressive, his arm is extremely questionable, which is where Finley excels. I would assume he has progressed since his crazy freshman off season and career, as did Max.
I would much rather face Bo Nix than Finley. Finley has a way better arm and we are down our best DB.
What outcome would decide who is right? I think LSU wins fairly easily, and hope we skull drag them, because we have a lot of highly touted recruits watching this game.
Your post claims Finley has concrete cleats, which I assume is just your phrase of the week, because you stated the same thing in another post saying Deculus has “concrete cleats” I see you’ve also deleted that post.
You mentioned his 1.2 YPC. Max was praised for his mobility, I’m not quite sure where his mobility went. His accuracy is better than Finley’s, but he throws the weakest deep ball that I’ve seen in a while. Everyone stated how against CMU his deep ball would be intercepted in the SEC. That was proven correct against Mississippi state.
Max is a very good QB. His stats are impressive, his arm is extremely questionable, which is where Finley excels. I would assume he has progressed since his crazy freshman off season and career, as did Max.
I would much rather face Bo Nix than Finley. Finley has a way better arm and we are down our best DB.
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Posted on 10/1/21 at 8:52 am to HotTakes
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Poor speed by the other team. Different level of athleticism LSU has.
This isn't the early 2010's anymore. SEC Speed isn't the edge it used to be. (UCLA Game)
By refusing to admit that Finley could be a legitimate threat for the other team, you're making fans defend the opposing QB. You should have lead with Finley's accuracy issues, not his "concrete cleats". Because he is extremely mobile for a 6'7" 250-260lb QB.
Even though it was against Georgia State, the guy came in cold off the bench in the 4th quarter and led a 98 yard touchdown drive to take the lead.
Additionally, your OP implied that it's blitz season for LSU. Unless there's a secret defensive playbook, this team doesn't blitz much.
I'm thinking the game plan will be similar to defenses that Les faced all those years. 8 in the box, make the QB beat you with his arm. This game is essentially the opposite of last week. From guard the pass and make them run, to guard the run, make them pass.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 8:56 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:43 am to HotTakes
So you think blitzing a QB who struggles to make completions against coverage is a good idea?
Why would we want to bring the blitz and be in a 4-3 to create open receivers for a guy who can’t thread the needle against coverage?
We should be in a 3-4 cre
Why would we want to bring the blitz and be in a 4-3 to create open receivers for a guy who can’t thread the needle against coverage?
We should be in a 3-4 cre
Posted on 10/1/21 at 9:56 am to HotTakes
When he first became a hot recruit and everyone here was praising him I shared my feelings on him as a player and it wasn't received very well. I will give a quick recap. All of these ppl was saying he was a dual threat and I told them he was not and had very poor pocket awareness. I was shouted down and attacked for that. I also said he was wildly inaccurate and I was attacked for that. Then I explained that he didn't appear to be the leader ppl were claiming him to be. He often was the last player to run onto the field by himself. Often when the team was gathering and getting pumped up before games, on the sideline etc. he would be off by himself removed from everyone. On positive note he has a very strong arm and is a very good student. MY opinion I didn't see what the hype was beyond the physical of him being big and having a strong arm. The production certainly wasn't there. I felt he was not a SEC QB straight out of HS. I felt he was too raw and need to go Mid Major, Houston, Memphis, something like that. Get to start early and get a ton of snaps and work on the skills.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:04 am to Ponchy Tiger
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When he first became a hot recruit and everyone here was praising him I shared my feelings on him as a player and it wasn't received very well. I will give a quick recap. All of these ppl was saying he was a dual threat and I told them he was not and had very poor pocket awareness. I was shouted down and attacked for that. I also said he was wildly inaccurate and I was attacked for that. Then I explained that he didn't appear to be the leader ppl were claiming him to be. He often was the last player to run onto the field by himself. Often when the team was gathering and getting pumped up before games, on the sideline etc. he would be off by himself removed from everyone. On positive note he has a very strong arm and is a very good student. MY opinion I didn't see what the hype was beyond the physical of him being big and having a strong arm. The production certainly wasn't there. I felt he was not a SEC QB straight out of HS. I felt he was too raw and need to go Mid Major, Houston, Memphis, something like that. Get to start early and get a ton of snaps and work on the skills.
thanks Mel
Posted on 10/1/21 at 10:24 am to beauxdacious34
Because he is even worst under pressure with 31 attempts and only 10 completions. This season alone in the last game, under pressure he was 5 of 9. Last season outside the pocket he was 50% on his throws. Why would you sit back with him?
He had the worst turnover-worthy play rating of all the 3 qb’s last season at 5.94 (Johnson 2.94 and Brennan 3.33)
So my thought process is for us to throttle him and let him make the mistakes.
He had the worst turnover-worthy play rating of all the 3 qb’s last season at 5.94 (Johnson 2.94 and Brennan 3.33)
So my thought process is for us to throttle him and let him make the mistakes.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:51 am to abellsujr
UCLA had a great OL as well. Auburn hasn’t shown that their OL is of that caliber yet. That could all change this week. I also believe people are wrong to say that our OL can’t improve and they are what they are. While their raw talent may not improve, their mindset, their competitive nature, their technique and their ability to be on the same page would make a huge difference in what we look like as an OL.
We will HAVE to find a run game and I’ve watched a few replays and find that when we run up the middle we have more success. If our backs would just find and make running lanes through the middle we’d be much more effective running the ball. We do NOT have the speed to take the ball outside. We must be a physical running team who runs up the middle. Use our tight formations to run from. Leave our TE and best blocking WRs in those formations while we run and pass from those looks.
The reason we were so successful in 2019 was because we had great blocking WRs and TEs who could also hurt you in the passing game. We rarely changed personnel so it was difficult for the defense to know if we were passing or running. We also didn’t allow the down and distance to dictate our choice of run/pass.
Last week on the accidental TD that was supposed to go to Boutte had our TE and WR both crossing at a point on the field and I heard the commentator say that you don’t typically do that? Well why not? It worked and would work. Do things on offense that aren’t typically done. Run when percentages say pass and pass when percentages say run. Not all the time but at key times in the game. Especially when you know the defense is expecting one or the other. I also didn’t see much tempo last week and our offense just works better when ran faster at times.
I also definitely don’t see our option routes that we taught when Brady was here. Maybe because it’s a new offense, new players and new QB but we need to start slowly developing that into our offense. It’s what Miss State does and it is very effective. It’s almost impossible for a defense to stop, especially when you have the WR talent that LSU has.
Concept routes is what we used in 2019. So basically the WR and QB know where they will run according to the defenses position on the field and coverage played. Give these routes to two of our better WRs. Boutte and Bech. One play in the slot and the other plays outside or both in the slot because you can do more from that area and creates huge holes in the middle of the defense that is easy to spot. This small change could allow us to score at least two more TDs per game. That’s huge!
It allows us to play fast and confident as well because the WR and QB both know that if the initial route is covered by the defense, he can change that route to get open. Use double moves to accomplish this. We would slaughter Auburn with this small change in detail. They’d have to start playing back and double certain WRs. This would allow our OL to plow over the defense in the run game. It all works together!
I don’t think it’s beyond our ability to have only two WRs do this and the rest act as decoys for the most part but would of course be targeted when open as well. You just let these two do most of the damage and it looks like you’re using everyone so there would be no give-away on the plan. It would just look confusing for the defense. Pass to set the run up, don’t force the run. That’s exactly how we ran our offense in 2019 and it would work again if implemented in this way.
We will HAVE to find a run game and I’ve watched a few replays and find that when we run up the middle we have more success. If our backs would just find and make running lanes through the middle we’d be much more effective running the ball. We do NOT have the speed to take the ball outside. We must be a physical running team who runs up the middle. Use our tight formations to run from. Leave our TE and best blocking WRs in those formations while we run and pass from those looks.
The reason we were so successful in 2019 was because we had great blocking WRs and TEs who could also hurt you in the passing game. We rarely changed personnel so it was difficult for the defense to know if we were passing or running. We also didn’t allow the down and distance to dictate our choice of run/pass.
Last week on the accidental TD that was supposed to go to Boutte had our TE and WR both crossing at a point on the field and I heard the commentator say that you don’t typically do that? Well why not? It worked and would work. Do things on offense that aren’t typically done. Run when percentages say pass and pass when percentages say run. Not all the time but at key times in the game. Especially when you know the defense is expecting one or the other. I also didn’t see much tempo last week and our offense just works better when ran faster at times.
I also definitely don’t see our option routes that we taught when Brady was here. Maybe because it’s a new offense, new players and new QB but we need to start slowly developing that into our offense. It’s what Miss State does and it is very effective. It’s almost impossible for a defense to stop, especially when you have the WR talent that LSU has.
Concept routes is what we used in 2019. So basically the WR and QB know where they will run according to the defenses position on the field and coverage played. Give these routes to two of our better WRs. Boutte and Bech. One play in the slot and the other plays outside or both in the slot because you can do more from that area and creates huge holes in the middle of the defense that is easy to spot. This small change could allow us to score at least two more TDs per game. That’s huge!
It allows us to play fast and confident as well because the WR and QB both know that if the initial route is covered by the defense, he can change that route to get open. Use double moves to accomplish this. We would slaughter Auburn with this small change in detail. They’d have to start playing back and double certain WRs. This would allow our OL to plow over the defense in the run game. It all works together!
I don’t think it’s beyond our ability to have only two WRs do this and the rest act as decoys for the most part but would of course be targeted when open as well. You just let these two do most of the damage and it looks like you’re using everyone so there would be no give-away on the plan. It would just look confusing for the defense. Pass to set the run up, don’t force the run. That’s exactly how we ran our offense in 2019 and it would work again if implemented in this way.
Posted on 10/1/21 at 11:59 am to SammyTiger
and those terrible games were against the top 2 teams in sec
Posted on 10/1/21 at 12:23 pm to markx
You know he has a 56% completion rating right now and he played a sun belt team?
Posted on 10/1/21 at 1:19 pm to baobabtiger
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Is he max or Myles? No. Is he pretty good? Yes.
Take a minute to consider that our third string QB is playing for a major SEC West team. You could have retired on the money you would have won on that bet three years ago.
This post was edited on 10/1/21 at 1:19 pm
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