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re: Consensus recruiting class rankings
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:26 am to how333
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:26 am to how333
Good post. We have players. The coaches are not coaching them up. There is a lot of talent on this team. No excuses. We will see how the team responds after getting thumped by TN. This game will be a great indicator.
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:26 am to Chicken
They do, but it’s also that we have seen a disproportionate amount of starters transfer from those classes as well. How is Arik Gilbert and Eli Ricks playing for Georgia and Bama supposed to help us this year?
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:29 am to pitchandcatch27
It was a terrible post. We don’t have the players to be competing a lot an extremely high level. Multiple people have posted the insane levels of attrition from those classes.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:31 am to MildManneredMadness
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We are thin at RB, TE, DB
along with OL and LB.
But hey,
quote:
Our problem is not talent.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:35 am to deathvalleytiger10
Right, we start a walk on at running back but we have all of the talent in the world because of a recruiting class 4 years ago with like 2 of those guys still on the team.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:42 am to how333
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So we have better personnel than 90-95% of teams but we can’t field a decent team? Excuses, excuses. If our current QB isn’t replaced we MAY win two more games, at best.
Now let us know how many of those players from the rankings you listed are actually on the team.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:45 am to lostinbr
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Orgeron was a good recruiter
No he wasn’t. He started signing stars and really was a poor evaluator of talent. He didn’t look at guys as to how they fit our system.
For example, look at Ika. He was a top NG recruit. I signed him and immediately converted to a 4-3 D. Not only did it mess Ika up, but it also messed Shelvin up.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:51 am to how333
In the off season I usually soften my view that lots of LSU fans are dumber than a dead screwdriver. Then the season starts and THEY PULL ME BACK IN!
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:52 am to how333
Just because your recruiting classes were ranked high doesn’t guarantee that they are actually good and not over rated. Just look at Texas last year, no players drafted despite their recruiting classes from 3, 4 and 5 years ago were all top ten
You can’t recruit just off of the ratings, the players must be evaluated properly
You can’t recruit just off of the ratings, the players must be evaluated properly
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:22 am to Chicken
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I like people put way too much stock in recruiting rankings…
not really...they mean a shite ton as far as developing talent. all you have to do is listen to the stars matter podcast and you figure that out really quickly.
what has changed is that now you cant just look at the overall recruiting rankings, now you have to look at the team talent rankings because of the trasnfer portal. but even that you have to look at what team talent is in their 3rd year in the system and up or atleast 2nd year and up.
sure you can get some transfers like USC did and turn it around but those types are going to be far and few between. Look how bama, ohio state, georgia are all built. 1-2 transfer studs starting....majority of the rest are recruited talent in their 2nd year or later.
we dont have that at all. anyone that thinks we should be better than 8&4 at best based on the roster is dellusional.
do we have problems...absolutely. is QB play and play calling contributing to that...absolutly and all you have to do is look at BKs frustration on the side line where he is scream "fricking THROW IT!!" to know he is frustrated too.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:31 am to how333
A lot of those guy are not on the team anymore. For whatever reason.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:33 am to how333
Dude they all left lol
They're not here!
They're not here!
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:33 am to Sun God
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Take a peek at the 2019 and 2020 classes. 80% of that is gone or buried on the depth chart. That ain’t on Kelly
They don’t get it. You’re arguing with people who lack the capacity to reason at that level
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:34 am to how333
These are the players that contributed to those class rankings.
TL/DR at the bottom.
2019
Derek Stingley - NFL
John Emery Jr. - overrated third string.
Marcel Brooks - gone.
Kardell Thomas - overrated second/third string.
Trey Palmer - gone.
Maurice Hampton - gone.
Siaki Ika - gone.
Tyrion Davis-Price - gone.
Ray Parker - gone.
Donte Starks - gone.
Devonta Lee - gone.
Anthony Bradford - second string.
Peter Parrish - gone.
Raydarious Jones - suspended.
Thomas Perry - gone.
Jay Ward - starter.
Kendall McCallum - gone.
Charles Turner - starter.
Cordale Flott - gone
Joseph Evans - gone.
Soni Fonua - gone.
T.K. McLendon - gone.
Desmond Little - second/third string.
Cade York - gone.
Quentin Skinner - gone.
Michael Williams - gone.
2020
Arik Gilbert - gone.
Eli Ricks - gone.
Kayshon Boutte - starter.
Jaquelin Roy - starter.
Phillip Webb - gone.
Jordan Toles - gone.
BJ Ojulari - starter.
Jacobian Guillory - starter.
Antoine Sampah - gone.
Marcus Dumervil - second string.
Kevontre Bradford - gone.
Josh White - gone.
Max Johnson - gone.
Eric Taylor - gone.
Dwight McGlothern - gone.
Koy Moore - gone.
Marlon Martinez - backup.
Alex Adams - gone.
Kole Taylor - backup.
Ali Gaye - starter.
Xavier Hill - backup.
T.J. Finley - gone.
Darren Evans - gone.
Liam Shanahan - gone.
Jabril Cox - gone.
2021
Maason Smith - out with injury.
Sage Ryan - backup.
Derrick Davis Jr. - backup.
Deion Smith - gone.
Chris Hilton - out with injury.
Garrett Nussmeier - backup.
Brian Thomas Jr. - starter.
Garrett Dellinger - out with injury.
Armoni Goodwin - out with injury.
Landon Jackson - gone.
Corey Kiner - gone.
Bryce Langston - backup.
Saivion Jones - backup.
Damarius McGhee - backup.
Greg Penn III - backup.
Zavier Carter - backup.
Malik Nabers - starter.
Jack Bech - starter.
Kimo Makaneole - backup.
Matthew Langlois - out with injury.
Navonteque Strong - gone.
Jalen Shead - gone.
Peyton Todd - backup.
Quinton Cage - gone.
Major Burns - out with injury.
Mike Jones Jr. - starter/backup.
2022
Harold Perkins - backup.
Will Campbell - out with injury.
Walker Howard - backup.
Quency Wiggins - backup.
Emery Jones - starter.
Laterrance Welch - backup.
DeMario Tolan - backup.
Jordan Allen - backup.
Landon Ibieta - out with injury.
Jaelyn Davis-Robinson - gone.
Mason Taylor - starter.
Tygee Hill - backup.
Bo Bordelon - backup.
Fitzgerald West - backup.
Nathan Dibert - backup.
Sevyn Banks - out with injury.
Jayden Daniels - starter.
Kolbe Fields - backup.
Jarrick Bernard - starter.
Mekhi Wingo - starter.
Tre'mond Shorts - backup.
Jay Bramblett - starter.
Greg Brooks Jr. - starter.
West Weeks - backup.
Mekhi Williams-Garner - backup.
Miles Frazier - backup.
Joe Foucha - starter.
Noah Cain - backup.
Kyren Lacy - backup.
Slade Roy - starter.
These are 98 players and transfers that contributed to these rankings for the last 4 years. Of the 98 players 52 are either gone or injured. 52.
Let me repeat that. 52 of the 98 players are either gone or injured.
The talent on this team was decimated the two years before CBK. They either left or it was not developed.
CBK biggest job at this point is to build up the roster with talent.
TL/DR at the bottom.
2019
Derek Stingley - NFL
John Emery Jr. - overrated third string.
Marcel Brooks - gone.
Kardell Thomas - overrated second/third string.
Trey Palmer - gone.
Maurice Hampton - gone.
Siaki Ika - gone.
Tyrion Davis-Price - gone.
Ray Parker - gone.
Donte Starks - gone.
Devonta Lee - gone.
Anthony Bradford - second string.
Peter Parrish - gone.
Raydarious Jones - suspended.
Thomas Perry - gone.
Jay Ward - starter.
Kendall McCallum - gone.
Charles Turner - starter.
Cordale Flott - gone
Joseph Evans - gone.
Soni Fonua - gone.
T.K. McLendon - gone.
Desmond Little - second/third string.
Cade York - gone.
Quentin Skinner - gone.
Michael Williams - gone.
2020
Arik Gilbert - gone.
Eli Ricks - gone.
Kayshon Boutte - starter.
Jaquelin Roy - starter.
Phillip Webb - gone.
Jordan Toles - gone.
BJ Ojulari - starter.
Jacobian Guillory - starter.
Antoine Sampah - gone.
Marcus Dumervil - second string.
Kevontre Bradford - gone.
Josh White - gone.
Max Johnson - gone.
Eric Taylor - gone.
Dwight McGlothern - gone.
Koy Moore - gone.
Marlon Martinez - backup.
Alex Adams - gone.
Kole Taylor - backup.
Ali Gaye - starter.
Xavier Hill - backup.
T.J. Finley - gone.
Darren Evans - gone.
Liam Shanahan - gone.
Jabril Cox - gone.
2021
Maason Smith - out with injury.
Sage Ryan - backup.
Derrick Davis Jr. - backup.
Deion Smith - gone.
Chris Hilton - out with injury.
Garrett Nussmeier - backup.
Brian Thomas Jr. - starter.
Garrett Dellinger - out with injury.
Armoni Goodwin - out with injury.
Landon Jackson - gone.
Corey Kiner - gone.
Bryce Langston - backup.
Saivion Jones - backup.
Damarius McGhee - backup.
Greg Penn III - backup.
Zavier Carter - backup.
Malik Nabers - starter.
Jack Bech - starter.
Kimo Makaneole - backup.
Matthew Langlois - out with injury.
Navonteque Strong - gone.
Jalen Shead - gone.
Peyton Todd - backup.
Quinton Cage - gone.
Major Burns - out with injury.
Mike Jones Jr. - starter/backup.
2022
Harold Perkins - backup.
Will Campbell - out with injury.
Walker Howard - backup.
Quency Wiggins - backup.
Emery Jones - starter.
Laterrance Welch - backup.
DeMario Tolan - backup.
Jordan Allen - backup.
Landon Ibieta - out with injury.
Jaelyn Davis-Robinson - gone.
Mason Taylor - starter.
Tygee Hill - backup.
Bo Bordelon - backup.
Fitzgerald West - backup.
Nathan Dibert - backup.
Sevyn Banks - out with injury.
Jayden Daniels - starter.
Kolbe Fields - backup.
Jarrick Bernard - starter.
Mekhi Wingo - starter.
Tre'mond Shorts - backup.
Jay Bramblett - starter.
Greg Brooks Jr. - starter.
West Weeks - backup.
Mekhi Williams-Garner - backup.
Miles Frazier - backup.
Joe Foucha - starter.
Noah Cain - backup.
Kyren Lacy - backup.
Slade Roy - starter.
These are 98 players and transfers that contributed to these rankings for the last 4 years. Of the 98 players 52 are either gone or injured. 52.
Let me repeat that. 52 of the 98 players are either gone or injured.
The talent on this team was decimated the two years before CBK. They either left or it was not developed.
CBK biggest job at this point is to build up the roster with talent.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:36 am to how333
how333 stupid are you?
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:40 am to The Pirate King
quote:Now how many that did play are gone?
Goodwin
Dellinger
Baskerville
X. Hill
Dumervil
Turner
Nuss
Did not play in the Texas Bowl, but are still with the team this season. There were a lot of covid protocol and injury issues. There were many other scratches for draft opt outs and transfers which is to be expected when an entire coaching staff is being let go and you have a lot of draft eligible players.
All of this is really moot because we’re up to 72 scholarship players and they’ve gotten rid of the 25 signing limit, so Kelly can sign as many recruits as he wants to get back to 85.
Also, "up to 72"?? That's not a good thing! Thank BK he got us over 70, but it's supposed to be 85.
This is on the frickwad whos balls are in your mouth
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:44 am to Fishhead
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Now how many that did play are gone?
52 of the 98 that have been recruited or transferred into the LSU program the last 4 years are either gone or not playing due to injury.
The team currently consist of 46 players recruited from high school or transferred from other college programs available to play plus walk-ons. (Some of the walk-ons are serviceable like Mashburn and Josh Williams.)
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:46 am to Fishhead
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Also, "up to 72"??
That was before the season. It's much worse now with injuries.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:37 am to how333
How many of those players, are currently in the roster? Not many, so this post is pointless.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:40 am to how333
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2022-13th
2021-5th
2020-4th
2019-5th
And yet people say we don’t have the players. A big BS to that theory
Most of those players are gone and the 2 best from the 21 and 22 class are hurt
don't be obtuse
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