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re: Do you consider Miles aggressive? Unorthodox?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:48 am to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:48 am to Pilot Tiger
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he doesn't try that from the get go many times
if only we'd have run 5 wide for auburn 06...
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:A bit of an overstatement. JR was 38th in the country in pass attempts and 13th in yards.
our O has always been based around the traditional i-form, grind it out style. even when we had JR, early, bowe, and buster, we didn't pass it that much. we tried to run, run, run out of the i-form, even if it didn't work
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:51 am to TheDoc
quote:dont even get me started
if only we'd have run 5 wide for auburn 06...
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:52 am to drexyl
Miles strikes me as a guy whose baseline is essentially conservative but with episodes of being what people would describe as aggressive or unorthodox. Maybe he does favor the gadget play a bit more than some coaches (fake FG against SC, halfback pass against Auburn, others) but I don't otherwise see a coach who is routinely aggressive.
If there is one area where Miles has been consistently aggressive, I would say it is going for TD's when he could choose to hand it off and play for a FG. Examples I can think of: the last 2 Auburn games and UF in 2007.
If there is one area where Miles has been consistently aggressive, I would say it is going for TD's when he could choose to hand it off and play for a FG. Examples I can think of: the last 2 Auburn games and UF in 2007.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Can you imagine any answer that would provoke anything from you other than mockery or dismissal? Is there any collection of observations that -- assuming facts supported them -- could conceivably cause your opinion to sway? If so, it would be fascinating if you could construct such a response, even if imaginary or hypothetical.
i'm sure there are some smart/relatively smart people who think miles is aggressive. i want to know why
quote:Is it your position then that aggression cannot be calculated? By that standard, Saban was ultra-conservative, unless you believe he just called his blitzes willy-nilly without a thought to the situation.
baloo, for instance, doesn't think that the fakes are "aggressive," if memory serves. he think they're calculated. i agree
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:53 am to L S Usetheforce
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Saban who LOVED to play D and kick fg's
saban was aggressive on defense.
on offense?
not so much
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
outside of deciding to go for it on 4th downs, does miles even put his hand into the play calling that much?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:55 am to Pilot Tiger
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I dunno man, in bowl games it seems like Les tries to pile it on.
i think the lack of pressure has to do with that
paul johnson also personally pissed off miles before the bowl last year, so i wasn't shocked to see us try to run it up
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but I do agree that he doesn't try that from the get go many times
in big games we are often slow starters
or, we sit high on our laurels and at some point the other team gets a big play and the tides turn and it ends up close
i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season. one way or another we always seem to end up right with them until the end
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:55 am to King Joey
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King Joey
You're just feeding Donuts to a fat arse. Stop, or he'll win.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:55 am to lsu xman
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saban was aggressive on defense.
on offense?
not so much
No doubt, except when he took the lead and got into his wonderful Prevent.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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paul johnson also personally pissed off miles before the bowl last year
How so?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:56 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Miles strikes me as a guy whose baseline is essentially conservative but with episodes of being what people would describe as aggressive or unorthodox.
i don't disagree with this at all
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:56 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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If there is one area where Miles has been consistently aggressive, I would say it is going for TD's when he could choose to hand it off and play for a FG. Examples I can think of: the last 2 Auburn games and UF in 2007.
what's funny to me is we often play to just stick with these teams, then at the very end he's like, frick it, now we go for the win
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:56 am to BBATiger
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You're just feeding Donuts to a fat arse. Stop, or he'll win.
I might have to use this analogy at some point.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:57 am to L S Usetheforce
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and mindset to play for victory
we often play to stay with good teams in big games during the regular season
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compared to his counterpart Saban who LOVED to play D and kick fg's doesn't fit in the agressive category?
who is saying saban ran an aggressive offense? nobody is talking about saban
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I appreciate that fact that you start some interesting threads which make for good discussion, but if you really seek to know how other people think about things, don't minimize their contributions. In other words, don't disguise your posts as being subjective and then come in and blow away every poster that has response with your objective opinion.
i like to try to understand how other people think and what goes into their thought process
To answer your question, and I know you are challenging my post in another thread, YES, Miles is unorthodox. The mistake you make in saying that he's not, is that you are looking at X's and O's, and I'm looking at style. Style over substance? Substance over Style?
Miles has a style that is different from most big name coaches in the way he handles media, fans, speaks, looks on the sidelines, defers to his coordinators, etc. He is the anti-Saban, the anti-control freak and egomaniac that most head coaches are (certainly our last head coach was), and it drives some people crazy. Hell, I didn't even like the guy at first but have grown to accept that this is who he is.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Odd that you believe their blitzes are not calculated. I would have expected you to have a higher opinion of their DC than simply thinking he calls his blitzes at random and gets really, really lucky.
UF's super blitz scheme on D is quite aggressive
quote:Yeah, it got so old the way we kept running that fake dive-pitchout-halfback pass Keiland threw to Byrd over and over again against Auburn. And boy did we ever run that fake FG play to death against South Carolina. But I guess that fake QB keeper-deep bomb that RP threw against VT was the topper. How many times in a row did we run that play?
we seem to be more of a "we're going to do this over and over, out-muscle you, and you have to stop us" mentality
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
LSU, subjectively is as aggressive in playcalling (in playcalling), in the Miles/Crowton era, as UT and OU (tempered with the fact that we had freshmen QBs in 2008). LSU is certainly behind UF and USC (and Carroll does wax and wane on how aggressive he lets the OC get), and ahead of tOSU as you suggested.
If passing 50+ times per game is the overriding statistic in your mind that means aggressiveness, maybe a better question is: Do Miles and Crowton run a "pass-happy" offense or a balanced offense?
In that case, with the current Big-12 trend, then LSU is probably "more balanced" (or less "aggressive" if you prefer) than any team on the list, with the others more pass-happy, except tOSU. If passing = aggressiveness, and running = conservatism, then tOSU would be the only team on the list more "conservative" than LSU under Miles/Crowton.
If passing 50+ times per game is the overriding statistic in your mind that means aggressiveness, maybe a better question is: Do Miles and Crowton run a "pass-happy" offense or a balanced offense?
In that case, with the current Big-12 trend, then LSU is probably "more balanced" (or less "aggressive" if you prefer) than any team on the list, with the others more pass-happy, except tOSU. If passing = aggressiveness, and running = conservatism, then tOSU would be the only team on the list more "conservative" than LSU under Miles/Crowton.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 am to L S Usetheforce
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i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season. one way or another we always seem to end up right with them until the end
Define good team? Virgina Tech won the ACC, South Carolina made a bowl game, Notre Dame was in the BCS albeit unfairly, Miami was top 10, Georgia Tech had rushed for an avg 300 yards in it's last 3 games, Ohio State was in the National Championship and LSU scored 31 unaswered?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 am to amiznit
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How so?
i forget exactly, but he said something assholish to miles or 1-up'd him at a photo op or something
and against ND like half of our coaching staff HATED their DC
and we all know the reasons why miles would wanna show up OSU
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