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re: Do you think the refs really cheat at Auburn?
Posted on 9/18/08 at 8:24 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 9/18/08 at 8:24 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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You guys on this thread (for the most part) are the whiniest saddest bitches ever. Total pussies crying, and whining, and bitching, and wah wah like nothing ever seen in college football before. Truly the biggest joke ever.
It's real easy to be a keyboard cowboy. I love it when some chat room geek (probally about 145 lbs. and never played sports in your life) calls out 9 pages of LSU posters on an LSU board.
:lol: :moon:
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Posted on 9/18/08 at 8:50 am to King Joey
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to see any of you post anything remotely resembling evidence that the official was not in fact an alumnus of Auburn.
You are asking us to prove a negative...it's like someone who believes in ufo's tell someone who doesn't to prove they don't exist. So many of you are so sure that it's true, surely you have an article from AP or Sports Illustrated, so prove it.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 8:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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you guys are the whiniest bitches ever
I guess that you've never read Auburn sites when they talk about LSU fans and their trips to Tiger Stadium, have you? Those idiots give pussies a bad name.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 8:57 am to raparoot
YES, the refs cheat at Auburn.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 9:25 am to King Joey
Joey,
The officials deemed the ball uncatchable. Pass interference is not a possible call in this case.
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The officials deemed the ball uncatchable. Pass interference is not a possible call in this case.
.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 9:35 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:Tiger n Miami AU83, the illegal formation no-call was correct. I thought we discussed this last year, but maybe it was another Aubbie.
(not to mention an illegal formation)
Here's what happened (the really really important part will be in bold; there may be minor errors here because I'm going only on memory; my friend who is a ref explained this to me, and it's long)
-LSU breaks the huddle and lines up. They are driving to the left (north) on the tv screen. Other than the center, you need six on the line, and it's usually three on either side.
-LSU had two on the line up top, and three on the line on the bottom. Too few. The LSU receiver at the bottom of the screen communicates with the side/line judge to ask if he's on the line enough. The official communicates back, and the receiver takes a little step up so that he's on the line enough to not be called for a penalty.
-LSU has four on the bottom and two at the top. This is when the two side/line judges have to communicate with each other for formation penalties. The official up top puts his right hand on his left breast to signal that there are two on the line of scrimmage on his side (they call this "two titty"). The official on the bottom is supposed to put a fist in the air to signal that his side has four ("four fist"), but he, by mistake, does not. The official up top throws the flag for illegal formation because, based on what he knows, this is the correct call. After the play, which I believe resulted in an LSU touchdown, the two confirm that there were enough on the line, and the flag is waved off.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 1:14 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:Yes, but you and the Aubbies have made repeated references to a specific story wherein a specific article or blog used the "replay official was Auburn grad" as a joke which people have now forgotten was a joke. I was simply pointing out that despite repeated references to what is suggested to be a well-documented fact, there has yet to be posted anything in the way of supporting info for that fact and that it is interesting that this "well known fact" that it was all just a joke was never mentioned until recently, despite the discussion of the replay official's links to Auburn being years old.
As I have not seen rational evidence that it is true.
So, can you support in any way your allegation that the replay official's links to Auburn were just a joke by an article/blog, or can't you?
Posted on 9/18/08 at 1:16 pm to AUCatfish
quote:No, I'm not. Y'all have repeatedly make specific positive assertions that the entire story of the replay official's links to Auburn were a joke by a specific article or blog. I'm asking for any evidence supporting that positive assertion.
You are asking us to prove a negative...
quote:Since you are the ones specifically stating that it comes from a joke in a specific blog or article, sure you could come up with that specific blog or article, right?
So many of you are so sure that it's true, surely you have an article from AP or Sports Illustrated, so prove it.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 1:19 pm to xiv
quote:Are you now changing your story, and no longer insisting that their ruling of "uncatchable" was unrelated to the tip, since I've proven you completely full of shite on that one?
The officials deemed the ball uncatchable
We already know that at least one official ruled that, absent the tip, the ball would have been catchable sans the interference (the one(s) who called the interference in the first place). So yes or no: are you insisting that any official deemed the pass uncatchable without regard to the tip?
Posted on 9/18/08 at 1:59 pm to raparoot
Does Queen Elizabeth defecate in the Royal Throne?
Does Nessie urinate in Loch Ness?
Does Nessie urinate in Loch Ness?
Posted on 9/18/08 at 2:14 pm to King Joey
quote:The ball was uncatchable, regardless of the tip/contact. The officials ruled the ball uncatchable. They may have ruled the ball uncatchable because Doucet's name starts with a D for all I give a damn, but they ruled an uncatchable pass uncatchable because there was no way Doucet could have caught that ball because it was a shitty pass.
Are you now changing your story, and no longer insisting that their ruling of "uncatchable" was unrelated to the tip, since I've proven you completely full of shite on that one?
Uncatchable ball = no pass interference
Posted on 9/18/08 at 2:20 pm to King Joey
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Y'all have repeatedly make specific positive assertions that the entire story of the replay official's links to Auburn were a joke by a specific article or blo
No, that's an LSU poster that says it's a joke. I don't think it's a joke, I think it's a lie that has been told so many times that people believe it.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 2:35 pm to xiv
quote:
The officials deemed the ball uncatchable. Pass interference is not a possible call in this case.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 2:47 pm to xiv
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The ball was uncatchable, regardless of the tip/contact. The officials ruled the ball uncatchable. They may have ruled the ball uncatchable because Doucet's name starts with a D for all I give a damn, but they ruled an uncatchable pass uncatchable because there was no way Doucet could have caught that ball because it was a shitty pass.
Uncatchable ball = no pass interference
You are wrong on so many levels it has to be willful lying. It was a bad throw on JR's part, but not because of accuracy. Without the deflection it would have hit ED in the gut without the tackle. Even with the tackle it would have been just a little behind him. If the pass was thrown behind ED as you state, ED would have slammed on the brakes, not jump in the air. It was a bad pass because JR didn't throw it with authority and that gave AU the opportunity to deflect it.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:00 pm to NC_Tigah
NC_Tigah, that ball is uncatchable. There is no pass interference on that play. Try as hard as you like, and you'll never be able to make it so.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:02 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:You folks sure are trying hard here, but you just can't do it. That ball was uncatchable on account that Doucet could not change direction instantaneously and travel 10 feet through the air in less than 1/3 of a second. It was an uncatchable ball. Therefore, there is no pass interference.
You are wrong on so many levels it has to be willful lying. It was a bad throw on JR's part, but not because of accuracy. Without the deflection it would have hit ED in the gut without the tackle. Even with the tackle it would have been just a little behind him. If the pass was thrown behind ED as you state, ED would have slammed on the brakes, not jump in the air. It was a bad pass because JR didn't throw it with authority and that gave AU the opportunity to deflect it.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:10 pm to xiv
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It was an uncatchable ball. Therefore, there is no pass interference.
The reason it was uncatchable was because of the deflection. The basic problem is that ED was tackled before the ball was deflected. You cannot tackle a receiver with an undeflected ball in the air. After the deflection, contact on. I don't know, and I'm not going to research it, whether it's PI as Joey argues or defensive holding, but it's one of the two. The irritating and frankly disappointing aspect of this is the total intellectual dishonesty by those like yourself, but particularly the SEC in defending this crap.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:15 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:I disagree. It was uncatchable regardless of the deflection and the physical contact.
The reason it was uncatchable was because of the deflection.
quote:Right. Defensive holding, which is a call that is, unfortunately, missed at least 1/3 of the time, should have been called. Five yards, first down.
The basic problem is that ED was tackled before the ball was deflected. You cannot tackle a receiver with an undeflected ball in the air.
Not only that, an Auburn player removed his helmet immediately at the end of the play. This warrants an automatic "unsportsmanlike conduct" penalty (a rule I don't really like). Fifteen more yards, first down.
quote:Joey is arguing for pass interference. Everyone who has any authority on this matter agrees with me when I say that it was not pass interference.
I don't know, and I'm not going to research it, whether it's PI as Joey argues or defensive holding, but it's one of the two.
quote:Just because you don't understand the call does not necessarily mean that:
The irritating and frankly disappointing aspect of this is the total intellectual dishonesty by those like yourself, but particularly the SEC in defending this crap.
1) The refs cheated
2) I am lying
This post was edited on 9/18/08 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:22 pm to xiv
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Just because you don't understand the call does not necessarily mean that:
1) The refs cheated
I have not taken a position in my posts.
quote:
2) I am lying
The following quote is contrary to all photographic (video and still) evidence. You can say you disagree, but that is willfully ignoring the obvious and that is lying.
quote:
I disagree. It was uncatchable regardless of the deflection and the physical contact.
Posted on 9/18/08 at 3:26 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:You don't understand my point fully, even though you have tried. The problem is that you just assume that I'm lying ("He disagrees with me in a way that does not benefit LSU; clearly he must be a liar!"), and it weakens your point. It is as if you are wearing a pair of spectacles that are colored purple and/or gold.
The following quote is contrary to all photographic (video and still) evidence. You can say you disagree, but that is willfully ignoring the obvious and that is lying.
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