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re: Does anyone remember the Hallman, DInardo days...
Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:26 pm to TriumphTiger
Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:26 pm to TriumphTiger
The 3 contributing factors to our dark decade:
Farve - who lead to
Curly
Texas A&M
Farve - who lead to
Curly
Texas A&M
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Posted on 8/8/09 at 5:36 pm to tigafan89
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Farve - who lead to
Curly
Texas A&M
The seeds of the dark decade were planted when our recruiting took a nosedive during the Archer years.
Posted on 8/8/09 at 7:39 pm to Carlos
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The seeds of the dark decade were planted when our recruiting took a nosedive during the Archer years.
And went from bad to worse with Curley. If I recall correctly, North Louisiana became a virtual desert for LSU recruiting because of the way Hallman handled things. I had a nephew in whom LSU showed some interest, but although he grew up as an LSU fan (I even took him to games with me when he was a kid), he was turned off by the way LSU treated prospects (not so much himself but other friends). It wasn't until DiNardo that LSU began to recruit well again in North Louisiana. Of course Saban continued to do well as has Miles.
This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 8/8/09 at 10:42 pm to tigerinridgeland
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The Mac situation was tough. Basically it was time for Mac to go. He had a horrible record against good teams over his last several years. He beat patsies in the last several years at LSU but just could not beat teams with a winning record. From 1974-1979, LSU won only 6 games against teams with a winning record, the best team he beat during that time was an 8-4 Wake Forest in 1979, the next 2 best teams were Tennessee in 1975 (7-3-2) and South Carolina in 1976 (7-5). Ole Miss at 6-5 in both 1976 and 1977 and Florida at 6-4-1 in 1977 account for the other three wins. He beat zero ranked teams during that period, not counting no. 20 Mississippi State, who lost to LSU by forfeit in 1976. LSU was stuck in a rut with him at the helm, and it wasn't going to get any better. LSU simply was mired in mediocrity. From 1974-1979, he had two 6-5 seasons, two 8-4 seasons, and one 4-7 (based on games won or lost on the field, since two of the wins on his records were by forfeit from Miss. State).
I remember my dad telling me as a kid listening to John Ferguson broadcast LSU games on WWL that had Mac been willing to make changes to his O & D coordinators & not show such blind loyalty, things would be different.
Many forget that the facts about LSU not beating ranked or quality teams in those days.
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Were there things about his being forced out I didn't like? Yes, but the decision to move him out was the right one for LSU, even if it was a tough one. Did LSU immediately right the ship? No, we struggled to find the right coach, with the exception of the Arnsparger years (and Archer's first year), through 1980s and 1990s, but we still won 2 SEC championships that we never would have won with Mac at the helm. The problem wasn't that the administration pushed Mac out (that was the right decision even if not handled as well as it could have been), it was that they didn't generally do a very good job of hiring head coaches thereafter.
This is where the tragedy of Bo Rein really hit the program. I believe had he lived, he would have moved the program upward throughout the 80s & 90s--hell, he might still be coaching the Tigers.
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It wasn't arrogance that caused its firing. It was the recognition that LSU was never going to get better as a football program with Mac in charge. The administration (and the fans) weren't satisfied, nor should they have been. I am not a "Mac hater;" I recognize that he did a lot for LSU, was loyal to LSU, and had been a pretty good coach throughout the 1960s and early 1970s, but it was time to move him out if LSU was going to be competitive in a changing football environment.
+1. I've been accused of being part of the "Help Mac Pack" crowd, when in reality I appreciate what he did for LSU over nearly 20 years. Just too bad it took so long for the sleeping giant that was LSU football in the 80s & 90s to awaken. But it's awake now, and I believe destined never to sleep again.
This post was edited on 8/8/09 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:59 pm to TriumphTiger
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I always tell rival fans that Brett Favre set LSU back a decade. Then I have to explain...
I'm glad I'm not the only one.Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:01 pm to Rouge
quote:Nope. We had the exact same scenario in '93, and the Hogs crushed us with that damn triple option all.fricking.day. That was a horrible, horrible game.
the only season this could have been possible was 1995
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:01 pm to teeMike
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This post was edited on 8/9/09 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:05 pm to Polycarp
quote:In '93, it was 58-3.
oh, yes I remember.. what was the Fla score one year, 45-3 ? I watched the whole ugly game.
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:05 pm to TexTgrTed
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I remember my dad telling me as a kid listening to John Ferguson broadcast LSU games on WWL that had Mac been willing to make changes to his O & D coordinators & not show such blind loyalty, things would be different.
Gerry DiNardo agrees with this...
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:10 pm to EmperorGout
quote:I don't know, but I imagine they're ALL working as waiters now . . .
Wasn't one of his offensive assistants working as waiter before he was hired at LSU?
Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:12 pm to King Joey
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oh, yes I remember.. what was the Fla score one year, 45-3 ? I watched the whole ugly game
You must have missed part of it...the final was 58-3Posted on 8/9/09 at 9:47 pm to medtiger
yes, i was in the nose bleed that night and the only part of the stadium not packed was arkansas endzone....i remember kendall cleveland hurdled a guy on the way to the endzone
Posted on 8/9/09 at 11:20 pm to Carlos
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The seeds of the dark decade were planted when our recruiting took a nosedive during the Archer years.
Agreed. Archer inherited a very healthy program from Arnsparger.
IMO, there were two major factors that led to his(and our) demise: 1) as mentioned poor recruiting and 2) Archer simply did not instill winning in his players.
The '89 season is amongst our most disappointing. And although it had a challenging schedule we basically played down to our competition and lost close game after close game - to Texas A&M (28-16), FL State (31-21 after leading to start the 4th qtr), UF (16-13 on a last second FG), Auburn (10-6), UK (27-21), and Tenn (45-39). Tell me how do we score 39 pts against Tenn and only 6 vs Auburn? At one point that year we were 1-6.
Hallman Era
Recruited better than Archer but was the worst football coach in LSU history. Has to his credit the all-time worst defeat in TS (58-3 vs UF in '93) and perhaps the worst collapse (vs Auburn in '94). I can only wonder who was responsible for hiring him?
DiNardo Era
Solid recruiter and good "front man." Because he crashed so miserably in the end, he probably isn't given enough credit for helping revive things early on. There were a few decisions that led to his demise:
a) Hiring Tepper and then retaining him in '99. Not sure what happened with Carl Reese (DC until midway thru '97).
b) Failing to replace Morris Watts (OC) in '99. If I'm not mistaken, Rich Rod was assistant at Tulane with Bowden and DiNardo apparently didn't make much of an effort to lure him away when Bowden left for Clemson.
c) Faneca leaving early for the NFL. As with '89, '98 was among the most disappointing seasons ever and Faneca was good enough that he may have made a difference is some of the close games that year.
d) Cecil Collins's mess-up.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 12:11 am to teeMike
The 1995 football season (my 5th and last year in the band) LSU played Michigan State (coached by Saban) in the Independence Bowl
Posted on 8/10/09 at 12:24 am to AlwysATgr
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Not sure what happened with Carl Reese (DC until midway thru '97).
Reese left for Texas, I'm guessing for a raise, and he didn't leave until after the regular season.
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Faneca was good enough that he may have made a difference is some of the close games that year.
maybe, but in some of those losses scoring wasn't the problem, the defense giving up big points was. ND and Kentucky come to mind.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 12:35 am to King Joey
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Nope. We had the exact same scenario in '93, and the Hogs crushed us with that damn triple option all.fricking.day. That was a horrible, horrible game.
No, like the other poster pointed out, it was the Carquest Bowl on the line in 93. The Indpendence Bowl in 95. And you are right about the option, they had 3 fvcking backs go for 100+ yards that day as our defense was chasing the wrong guy half the time. Thanks Mike Bogar.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 12:39 am to ATLTiger
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Reese left for Texas, I'm guessing for a raise, and he didn't leave until after the regular season.
Seemed to recall hearing that DiNardo relieved Reese of his duties after the OM loss that year. That's what I was referring to.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 12:46 am to nitwit
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Curly Hallman was not qualified to be a a D-1 head coach.
Got fired from Muscle Shoals H.S.
That's one helluva turnaround. He did very well at Southern Miss before coming to LSU.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 8:11 am to AlwysATgr
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Seemed to recall hearing that DiNardo relieved Reese of his duties after the OM loss that year.
I don't remember that at all. Wouldn't make sense for him to dump Reese over a bad game, not like the defense was bad that year. Hell Reese's game plan for UF played a large part in the upset and that had just happened. Also, Reese had been his DC going back to Vandy and it since seems Gerry was a loyal guy, I doubt he'd have handled stuff in such a manner.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 8:14 am to teeMike
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the only season this could have been possible was 1995
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no 1993 as well...... but we lost...
the only season this could have been possible was 1995
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no 1993 as well...... but we lost...
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