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re: Gunner Kiel/Landon Collins reflects on college choices-miles related
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:52 pm to HowboutthemTigers
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:52 pm to HowboutthemTigers
I don't blame Miles at all. Act like a douche and get called out. Changing your mind as a teen is understandable. Not notifying the staff does show having no chest. Man up. Don't be a Janzen Jackson.
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I thought Kiel was classy about it. He messed up and should have handled it better. Not a bad word about Miles. Can't expect more.
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LC is just a punk....and I'm glad he went to Bama. No need to worry about what he says anyway.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:56 pm to thunderbird1100
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Because he's still a good receiver having a rough spurt, not a rough career at WR.
So he was allowed to work through his problems but Shepard wasn't?
And I'll even play along with your hypothetical. I don't know what the actual number is, bu lets say he dropped 10 passes this year. How does that explain him getting more than 3 rushing attempts in 1 game this year, and 0 attempts in 4 games?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:56 pm to Open Your Eyes
If I remember correctly, Shep asked to change positions middle of his freshman year. Miles asked him to give it the entire season and Shep decided other wise. This is all in an article that I am not going back 3yrs to look up.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:04 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So he was allowed to work through his problems but Shepard wasn't?
Is this some sort of joke? We've been trying to throw the football to Shepard for 3 years now. It has never been an asset more than a liability.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:07 pm to Open Your Eyes
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How does that explain him getting more than 3 rushing attempts in 1 game this year, and 0 attempts in 4 games?
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the emergence of Jeremy Hill, could it? Nah, that'd be crazy
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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Is this some sort of joke?
Not at all. Beckhams drops were, at the very least, comparable to Shepards for a large part of the seaon. They never stopped trying to get him the ball though.
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We've been trying to throw the football to Shepard for 3 years now. It has never been an asset more than a liability.
First, where do you get this idea from that the only way to touch the ball is by having it thrown to you by somebody else?
Second, Shepard touched the ball 65 times and at least once every game in 2010. He touched in 47 times total and not at all in 6 games the last 2 years combined. And I'm not talking bout the games he was suspended for either. You say he's been dropping the ball for 3 years. How does that explain the above statistics?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:17 pm to LNCHBOX
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Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the emergence of Jeremy Hill, could it? Nah, that'd be crazy
Hill had 142 carries this year, Shepard had 20.
In 2010, Ridley had 249 carries and Shepard had 32.
So yea, your idea is actually pretty crazy.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:19 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Hill had 142 carries this year, Shepard had 20.
In 2010, Ridley had 249 carries and Shepard had 32.
So then that does in fact explain his number of touches? Perhaps you should close your eyes.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:25 pm to LNCHBOX
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So then that does in fact explain his number of touches? Perhaps you should close your eyes.
Your argument is that Shepards touches were reduced to give more to hill. Ridley carried the ball 107 times more hill did this year, yet Shepard carried it 12 more times that year than this year. Based on those facts, explain how you think your argument is valid
And to add in for good measure, hill only carried the ball 12 times in the most recent game, and Shepard still touched it 0 times.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:28 pm to VermilionTiger
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Keil fricked LSU out of a starti caliber olinemen because of the shite he pulled Dude deserves all the things miles said and more
Well...the truth is, we did to that lineman what Keil did to us. I'm an admirer of Les Miles, but he disgraced himself with Miller. Les made a dishonorable choice when he reneged on his offer to Miller. IMO that's why Les reacted so atypically to Keil reneging on us.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:29 pm to HowboutthemTigers
Respect meter for Kiel has gone up for at least owning up to the crap he pulled
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the emergence of Jeremy Hill, could it? Nah, that'd be crazy
No...then you'd have to explain why Jeremy Hill didn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter against Clemson...see last post.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:38 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Not at all. Beckhams drops were, at the very least, comparable to Shepards for a large part of the seaon. They never stopped trying to get him the ball though.
So you think Beckham going through a bad spot is comparable to 3 years of struggling to catch the ball with Shepard? OBJ is a talented WR, that much is obvious. Shepard is not, that is also obvious.
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First, where do you get this idea from that the only way to touch the ball is by having it thrown to you by somebody else?
I agree we should have used him more in the run game, he is an actual asset there. In the pass game, it's worthless to throw it to him. I thought we were just talking about him in the passing game as a WR. I have said as much on here before our coaches havent properly used him the last few years.
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Second, Shepard touched the ball 65 times and at least once every game in 2010. He touched in 47 times total and not at all in 6 games the last 2 years combined. And I'm not talking bout the games he was suspended for either. You say he's been dropping the ball for 3 years. How does that explain the above statistics?
He's dropped the ball for 3 years, how is that hard to understand? I am talking about literally dropping the ball when thrown to him. This cannot be denied. You dont deserve to have the ball thrown to you when you are a drop machine all the time.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:41 pm to LNCHBOX
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Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the emergence of Jeremy Hill, could it? Nah, that'd be crazy
Had nothing to do with it. His carries dropped last year. Most of Sheps carries came pre 2011
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:52 pm to thunderbird1100
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So you think Beckham going through a bad spot is comparable to 3 years of struggling to catch the ball with Shepard? OBJ is a talented WR, that much is obvious. Shepard is not, that is also obvious.
Dropped passes are dropped passes no matter when they occur. How many passes Shepard dropped in 2010 had no bearing on his year. See Dwayne Bowe for proof of that.
Beckham was dropping balls at an alarming rate earlier this year, yet his opportunities never changed. That is what is obvious.
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He's dropped the ball for 3 years, how is that hard to understand? I am talking about literally dropping the ball when thrown to him. This cannot be denied. You dont deserve to have the ball thrown to you when you are a drop machine all the time.
The only thing hard to understand here is you. In the response above this that i didnt quote, you said you thought we were just talking about receptions, even though every post made in the thread has clearly said touches. Then you said you agree Shepard should have been given the ball more.
Now in response to another comment abut number of touches, you are talking about drops again. What the frick are you doing?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Well...the truth is, we did to that lineman what Keil did to us. I'm an admirer of Les Miles, but he disgraced himself with Miller. Les made a dishonorable choice when he reneged on his offer to Miller. IMO that's why Les reacted so atypically to Keil reneging on us.
Not true. They never pulled Miller's schollie. He wanted to come in as an EE and those slots were taken so he decided to look elsewhere. In terms of numbers and priority, you take a 5 star QB early over an 4 star OL. And in theory, if Kiel had called them early enough to let them know he was having doubts, they could've opened that spot back up for Miller. He just "no showed" for the EE orientation. I don't blame Les a bit for what he said.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:58 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Dropped passes are dropped passes no matter when they occur. How many passes Shepard dropped in 2010 had no bearing on his year. See Dwayne Bowe for proof of that.
There is a huge difference in a SPURT of dropped passes and it being a problem over an ENTIRE career. I dont see how you think these are similar. Shepard has ALWAYS dropped passes, regularly. It's been a constant issue. On top of that, for a guy who is so fast, he rarely gets separation, which is a big part about being a WR.
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Beckham was dropping balls at an alarming rate earlier this year, yet his opportunities never changed. That is what is obvious.
A spurt, not a 3 year span.
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The only thing hard to understand here is you. In the response above this that i didnt quote, you said you thought we were just talking about receptions, even though every post made in the thread has clearly said touches
I was only talking him as a WR and responding to that, and I've always said in the past he should get more touches in the running game, and not be a WR at all. HE is a terrible WR, yet we kept him there for 3 years occasionally (less and less) using him as a RB where he was tenfold more effective.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:00 pm to itig19
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He wanted to come in as an EE and those slots were taken so he decided to look elsewhere. In terms of numbers and priority, you take a 5 star QB early over an 4 star OL. And in theory, if Kiel had called them early enough to let them know he was having doubts, they could've opened that spot back up for Miller. He just "no showed" for the EE orientation.
Then they still misled miller by telling him they had a slot for him in he first place. It wasn't miller's fault somebody else decided he wanted to come and the staff chose that somebody else over him.
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I don't blame Les a bit for what he said.
What if miller had public, disparaging comments about miles for giving away his spot to somebody else. Would you have blamed miller for that?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:05 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Then they still misled miller by telling him they had a slot for him in he first place. It wasn't miller's fault somebody else decided he wanted to come and the staff chose that somebody else over him.
Kiel was a very late addition, and the only way he was coming was as an E.E. You take him if he wants to come, especially considering what we have at QB and seemingly can never find good ones. Situations happen you cant foresee. What you say to a recruit in September can change by December, January, February because things happen.
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What if miller had public, disparaging comments about miles for giving away his spot to somebody else. Would you have blamed miller for that?
I wouldn't. It sucks but that's recruiting in the SEC especially. Kids get dumped, we still would honor his commitment he would just have to enroll in the spring instead, he wanted to be somewhere as an E.E. so he moved on.
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