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re: I don't get the O negativity on here?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:24 pm to dukke v
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:24 pm to dukke v
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Why you against hiring coach O??????
See my 2nd post in this thread:
"His only stint as a permanent head coach was a colossal failure. I think people, myself included, are a bit hesitant with LSU being the litmus test as to whether he has changed or improved and can now take on that kind of a role."
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:25 pm to Bengal26
I'll be glad when they do something one way or another... tired of reading the most stupid comments from people that think they know something relevant.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:25 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Please show me that report?
If it were in writing I would.
Heard it on the radio. It was anot assistant of his at Wisconsin the said Aranda has talked about it to them before that he wants to be a head coach.
Honestly withthe description of how he spends hours in his office just scheming and breaking down film. I'm not so sure how it would go.
As a head coach he wouldn't have the same amount of time to dedicate to his scheming.
IMO he would either not be as dominant as a DC or he wouldn't be able to handle the extra obligations a head coach has.
Similar to what was said of why O failed so bad at Ole Miss. He couldn't deligate
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:25 pm to tiger chaser
I don't mind Jimbo as HC......
I don't mind Herman as HC.....
I don't mind O as HC.....
All of these come with certain contingencies......I do feel the best OL and DL would be with option 3.
The best qb with option 1
and the biggest unknowns with option 2 but I'm intrigued.
I don't mind Herman as HC.....
I don't mind O as HC.....
All of these come with certain contingencies......I do feel the best OL and DL would be with option 3.
The best qb with option 1
and the biggest unknowns with option 2 but I'm intrigued.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:26 pm to TigerDat
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Aranda isn't leaving here for Texas. He didn't come to LSU to coach premier athletes to leave for a dumpster fire of a program.
He also didn't come to LSU to work under Coach Orgeron. Things change. Maybe he stays, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, then what? That's why you need a head coach who is the key piece to the puzzle. Not a head coach who just needs to stay out of the way.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:26 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Why won't Aranda be here in 1 or 2 years making 2 million a year?
Please someone answer that question? Is it the magical Head Coaching job?
No one can say for sure whether or not Aranda would stay for several years as a DC or seek a HC job. If he performs as well as everyone thinks he will, then you'd have to think schools will come looking for him as a serious HC candidate. And if O's success is largely tied to Aranda being on staff, then that's a gamble I'd rather not take.
Look at LSU's last few DCs
Pelini - 3 years on staff. Left for HC job.
Chavis - 6 years on staff. Left for A&M.
Steele - 1 year on staff. Left for AU.
Chavis has been a DC forever and from all indications has shown no interest in becoming a HC. He's the exception, not the rule. While nothing is certain, it's hard to envision Aranda not wanting to be a HC. If the biggest "pro" in favor of O is keeping Aranda, then that's not a great reason to keep him. Plus, who's to say Fisher, Herman, etc. wouldn't keep Aranda as well?
O is almost totally reliant on having great coordinators. While you could maybe say that for most coaches, at least guys like Fisher and Herman have significant experience overseeing one side of the ball. He's not like Saban who could lose a DC, but still oversee things enough to put together a top defense; or Harbaugh/Meyer/Petersen, etc on offense.
O would be the SEC's version of Dabo Sweeney, a guy who has never been a play-caller, but is completely reliant on his coordinator's success on BOTH sides of the ball. Maybe he has the same success that Swinney is currently having. However, he just as easily could be Bill Stewart, WVU's HC after Rich Rod left.
There's probably a little more certainty with Fisher or Herman. With O, his best work as a HC came after taking over two programs he didn't completely build (though he did play a role in building) and having success.
You don't make this hire for next year. You make this hire for the next 7-10 years.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:27 pm to L S Usetheforce
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I don't mind Jimbo as HC......
I don't mind Herman as HC.....
I don't mind O as HC.....
All of these come with certain contingencies......I do feel the best OL and DL would be with option 3.
The best qb with option 1
and the biggest unknowns with option 2 but I'm intrigued
I agree 100% I honestly would not be mad or jump off a bridge with either.
As long as Alleva truly tried to get Jimbo and at least attempted with Herman.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:31 pm to lsu2006
I am not sold on him either..... not sure what to think at this point... Herman??? Can he shine under the bright lights of Tiger Stadium????? Jimbo???? He has a real talented team at 7-3 in the ACC......facts are facts on both parts... If Herman comes here and loses to South Alabama the fan base will go nuts. Hermon also coaches in a crappy conference.... Does Jimbo have the passion to come here and win BIG???? Sure he can develop A QB but again his team this year is not very good with LSU type talent... I say all three are risky hires....
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:33 pm to Alt26
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You don't make this hire for next year. You make this hire for the next 7-10 years
While I agree with this who is to say that if it's Herman he doesn't pull a Saban and bolt for the NFL?
Fisher would likely be a more stable fit.
O would retire here if he can last that long.
So longevity would favor O and Jimbo.
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O would be the SEC's version of Dabo Sweeney, a guy who has never been a play-caller, but is completely reliant on his coordinator's success on BOTH sides of the ball. Maybe he has the same success that Swinney is currently having. However, he just as easily could be Bill Stewart, WVU's HC after Rich Rod left
If he could make the right hires to be the next Dabo, then sign his arse up, but like you said it's a gamble.
Then again so are Fisher and Herman. Any coaching hire is going to be a gamble.
Herman has shown weakness in having hisome team ready to play teams he should beat easily.
Jimbo hasn't been exactly electric at FSU this season, though there may be extenuating circumstances like, under paid staff.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
What exactly do you demand as the "skill set" of a head coach? Please shower us with your incredible and vast knowledge and experience as a head coach. I just know you are the smartest one to enlighten us with the exact skill set necessary. Have you sent your coaching resume into Alleva yet?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:36 pm to dukke v
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.. I say all three are risky hires...
Exactly. Not 1 of those are a guaranteed home run.
I will say a lot of fans discount how much emotion and hype, passion play into a college football teams success.
College football is loads more emotional than the NFL.
Hell all the proof you need is the difference in the teams enthusiasm from Miles to O
This team looks a lot different compared to Miles team. They used to jog onto the field and look lethargic.
Under O so far he has them hyped and playing with Swagger again.
Now can he keep it up. Time would tell
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:37 pm to dukke v
Obviously there's a risk with any hire. The potential reward with Herman is exponentially greater than that of Jimbo or O IMHO. He is an absolutely brilliant offensive mind (and a brilliant mind in general), has already had great success as an OC (beating Saban, mind you) and a HC and is young, energetic and hungry. Him paired with Aranda would be the envy of every school not named Bama. If the NFL comes calling so be it. That will have meant he did a kick arse job.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:40 pm to TigerDat
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While I agree with this who is to say that if it's Herman he doesn't pull a Saban and bolt for the NFL?
Never understand this mindset.
Always hire the best candidate. If others want them too, then you've got a hot commodity, so try and keep them as long as possible. The goal should never be to hire a coach who no one else wants enough to try and lure them away...
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:40 pm to L S Usetheforce
This is all based on the pretense that O can retain Aranda and hire a top tier OC. The money is there but sometimes, the money is not enough. There will also be job security issues, family issues, and such. What if O can't deliver the Coordinators and staff that he needs to shore his own shortcomings up? Then what we have? Coach O, a wing, and a prayer. Hiring a coach with the hope that he can hire and use an OC and DC to lean on ain't too swift. He needs to be a leader, someone who can guide the program and be able to step in when his coordinators need help, not the other way around
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:43 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Never understand this mindset.
Always hire the best candidate. If others want them too, then you've got a hot commodity, so try and keep them as long as possible. The goal should never be to hire a coach who no one else wants enough to try and lure them away...
Yup. I don't get the longevity argument. Yeah it's nice, but it's also nice to have everyone want your coach. I don't want a coach that no one wants, that means he's not a good coach.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:48 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Never understand this mindset.
Always hire the best candidate. If others want them too, then you've got a hot commodity, so try and keep them as long as possible. The goal should never be to hire a coach who no one else wants enough to try and lure
I agree. I was addressing the poster saying that LSU needs to hire for 7-10 years in the future.
If that were the case you would have to take that argument into account correct.
I believe you hire for the immediate future as in the next 2-4 years, because as you say if we get a good one we will have to fight to keep him.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:56 pm to dukke v
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Herman??? Can he shine under the bright lights of Tiger Stadium????? Jimbo???? He has a real talented team at 7-3 in the ACC......facts are facts on both parts...
Only Jimbo's record is a fact. Herman's mettle for the big stage is purely speculative, but he's proven himself in the spotlight thus far, including last night.
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Hermon also coaches in a crappy conference
The AAC has a bunch of solid teams with good, young coaches, same as last year. Just because it's a G5 conference doesn't mean it's crappy.
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I say all three are risky hires
Certainly. I would say O is the riskiest of the 3 though.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:02 pm to L S Usetheforce
Frick em all... They don't want him to be HC so they attempt to slander and demonize him so it changes people's mind but what they don't know is it's having the opposite affect.
It also shows who they really are as people to discredit what he's done, I don't give a damn if you want him here or not, he's doing a great job and there really is NO debating that PERIOD. So eat shite you won't convince me he isn't doing a great job and no need in telling me he's not the best man for the job. Good god
It also shows who they really are as people to discredit what he's done, I don't give a damn if you want him here or not, he's doing a great job and there really is NO debating that PERIOD. So eat shite you won't convince me he isn't doing a great job and no need in telling me he's not the best man for the job. Good god
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:04 pm to nvasil1
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Only Jimbo's record is a fact
Ok.. Whatever... If you don't want coach O then just fricking say it.....
Posted on 11/18/16 at 5:06 pm to L S Usetheforce
Crappy fans. 
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