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re: I don't know WTF is wrong with our fans....
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:03 pm to VOR
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:03 pm to VOR
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Psychotherapeutic drugs: 53.9 percent of those who used marijuana before the age of 15 report that they have also tried to use psychotherapeutic drugs for non-medical uses.
Fact: 100% of all drug users have had water to drink.
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Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:03 pm to tuptiger
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Most of our players come from underprivileged areas with a lack of parental involvement. Many of their friends turn to drugs/gangs/etc. early in life. It's fair to say that many of our football players have led totally different lives than a lot of other people.
Most people are simply products of their environment.
You have said a lot of things in this thread that I consider to be ignorant, but I actually whole-heartedly agree with this.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:03 pm to tuptiger
quote:Its all about choice. I didnt come from money if thats what ya mean. My parents lived pay day to pay day. You dont have to have money to turn out productive. No excuse for smoking weed. There is always a choice , you as a person have to make it. Its called family values and that my friend starts at home.
Where did you grow up? Did you have both parents at home? Was going to college always a goal? Most of our players come from underprivileged areas with a lack of parental involvement. Many of their friends turn to drugs/gangs/etc. early in life. It's fair to say that many of our football players have led totally different lives than a lot of other people.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:04 pm to thanksjhester
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Its called family values and that my friend starts at home.
Uhh, that's kind of the point the guy was making, ace.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:06 pm to thanksjhester
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Its all about choice. I didnt come from money if thats what ya mean. My parents lived pay day to pay day. You dont have to have money to turn out productive. No excuse for smoking weed. There is always a choice , you as a person have to make it. Its called family values and that my friend starts at home.
...which most of our players don't actually have. I wish many of you could comprehend that mistakes by many of our football players should be viewed from a different plane than people view Johnny who lived down the street with parents who made $100,000 and friends who had career based goals.
Smoking pot for many of our football players is the equivalent of coming home 15 minutes after curfew for many people.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:07 pm to thanksjhester
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Its called family values and that my friend starts at home.
yeah and that's exactly what he was saying, a lot of the players aren't privileged in that respect
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:09 pm to tuptiger
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Smoking pot for many of our football players is the equivalent of coming home 15 minutes after curfew for many people.
Smoking pot isn't the problem. Smoking pot when there is a strict penalty for doing it and still violating the rule is the problem. I don't think 90% of us care what they do as long as it doesn't get their arse suspended.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think 90% of us care what they do as long as it doesn't get their arse suspended.
That's pretty much it. If you break a rule that has been stated in advance, you have to expect to pay the penalty.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:12 pm to lsufball19
quote:Yeah and they have more opportunity than i had back then. What most here fail to realize is that they are going to college for free,while having the privilege of doing something they love. You either want to get a education and make something of yourself or smoke pot
yeah and that's exactly what he was saying, a lot of the players aren't privileged in that respect
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:13 pm to thanksjhester
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Yeah and they have more opportunity than i had back then.
You continue to miss the point. Ever been in some of those homes or dealt with some of those "parents"?
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What most here fail to realize is that they are going to college for free,while having the privilege of doing something they love.
You're absolutely right. I failed to realize that until you pointed it out. Thank you.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Smoking pot isn't the problem. Smoking pot when there is a strict penalty for doing it and still violating the rule is the problem. I don't think 90% of us care what they do as long as it doesn't get their arse suspended.
Breaking a rule isn't the problem. I hope you would agree that "rules" are probably broken on a daily basis. When everyone was at Shady's the night JJ allegedly kicked the Marine, they were all probably "breaking a rule", yet apparently it was widely known as a night to go out with teammates. You don't think the coaches knew about this?
So, coaches sometimes allow violations of rules without punishment, which means that breaking rules is not the problem. The issue is which rule they broke.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:15 pm to thanksjhester
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You either want to get a education and make something of yourself or smoke pot
Doesn't have anything to do with the subject at hand. violating rules does.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:16 pm to VOR
quote:More than you ever will.
You continue to miss the point. Ever been in some of those homes or dealt with some of those "parents"?
Doesnt bother you at all that that scholarship could serve a purpose other than football?
There are kids out there that would love this opportunity.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:18 pm to thanksjhester
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Yeah and they have more opportunity than i had back then. What most here fail to realize is that they are going to college for free,while having the privilege of doing something they love. You either want to get a education and make something of yourself or smoke pot
yeah they're going to college for free, but many also had very little guidance growing up as well. sounds like you at least had both your parents that worked hard and provided you with a life and showed you what hard work was. it has nothing to do with money, it has to do with positive role models. sounds like you had them seeing as you mentioned family values. that is what he's saying many of these kids don't have, so yeah many of them don't always make the best decisions.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I wonder how many people who are defending their actions, would not throw a fit over a face mask or late hit on 3rd and 12 with the game on the line. I get that for some of these kids their home lives have not been ideal, but this is not the first 2 months they have been exposed to rules and the need to follow them or get punished. No, what they did is not worthy of a witch hunt with torches and all, but they messed up, they got punished, and the team will have to play without them. They got too big for their britches and I believe CLM can shrink 'em back down to size. I don't see a problem with Auburn, and the Tigers have depth, it'll be aight. The guys are still learning from mistakes... I know I have made plenty, even into my 40's, but if I do, then I should expect to be given a hard time about it. The same as the fans should lighten up, the players who messed up and the fans who are whining about everybody being to mean, need to toughen up a bit and take that medicine.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:18 pm to thanksjhester
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More than you ever will.
I can pretty much guarantee you that's not the case, sport.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:19 pm to thanksjhester
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Yeah and they have more opportunity than i had back then. What most here fail to realize is that they are going to college for free,while having the privilege of doing something they love. You either want to get a education and make something of yourself or smoke pot
How did you determine what was "good" and what was "bad"? Did it just fall out of the sky and hit you?
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:20 pm to lsufball19
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it has nothing to do with money, it has to do with positive role models.
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:21 pm to thanksjhester
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Doesnt bother you at all that that scholarship could serve a purpose other than football?
There are kids out there that would love this opportunity.
well that's not the way things work and never will for the foreseeable future. the idea of the student athlete has long since passed and as long as college football is a multi billion dollar a year industry, it's gonna stay that way. in a perfect world, yes they would all take advantage of the academic opportunity they're given, but reality the majority don't. and if you want lsu to keep winning, you're going to have to accept that. if you want a team that has a bunch of choir boys that graduate, become a duke fan.
This post was edited on 10/19/11 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 10/19/11 at 11:23 pm to lsufball19
quote:I did have great parents. What i am saying is i am a public servant. I do see what goes on in these homes first hand up close and personal. I know believe me i do, but these guys arent kids anymore. Their considered adults(even though their kids to me). All i am getting at is they have a genuine chance to better themselves and it starts here at LSU
yeah they're going to college for free, but many also had very little guidance growing up as well. sounds like you at least had both your parents that worked hard and provided you with a life and showed you what hard work was. it has nothing to do with money, it has to do with positive role models. sounds like you had them seeing as you mentioned family values. that is what he's saying many of these kids don't have, so yeah many of them don't always make the best decisions.
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