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re: It's hard, if not impossible, to defend Les Miles today...
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:20 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:20 pm to JPLSU1981
I mean you're whole argument was "he won a NC". Well, that doesn't make him a good coach which we found out in difficult fashion yesterday. I can see how we won the NC. We backed in. We didn't play well down the stretch in 2007 and with 2 of the most talented teams in LSU history 2006 and 2007 Miles managed to lose FOUR games. I just tend to believe when it comes to game management, Miles might be one of the worst in the country.
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:21 pm to JPLSU1981
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He did a good job until last year and this year
I don't believe so.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:22 pm to Tiger Phil
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Im with ya, JP... I have enjoyed reading your perspective on things the last couple of weeks. But I am still flabbergasted by all the errors that we made in the end of the game, beginning with the option to let 35 seconds evaporate after we stopped Ole Miss on 3rd and Goal. It makes one wonder now if he was lucky all along and now reality is catching up with us.
I can't believe it has taken 5-years for many to recognize how poorly the coach has performed at this highly obvious key aspect of coaching called game management. Luck and talent bailed out the team many times in the past. Why attempt to blow smoke up someone's arse when reality is staring one in the face?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:23 pm to JPLSU1981
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Yes
Yes
and Yes
It didn't take a genious to see that the direction he was taking this program would result in where we are today.
You wanted Miles fired after the 2007 season? Seriously?
Actually '07 confirmed it for me.
I've posted this several times, but I've followed LSU football for over 40 years and the '07 team was the most talented I have ever seen.
Yet Miles found a way to lose not 1 but 2 games that year. Plus, he damn near lost not 1, not 2, but 3 others. And that was with the greatest talent ever assembled at LSU (IMHO).
So, yes, I would not have been in the least bit disappointed if Miles had been fired after the '07 season.
Obviously, I know that couldn't have happened and understand the ramifications of firing him at that time.
The only thing that has surprised me about the Miles tenure at LSU is the time it's taken for the program to slide. I thought it would have happened a few years sooner than it has. But it certainly isn't surprising that it has.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:23 pm to Elleshoe
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I mean you're whole argument was "he won a NC". Well, that doesn't make him a good coach which we found out in difficult fashion yesterday. I can see how we won the NC. We backed in. We didn't play well down the stretch in 2007 and with 2 of the most talented teams in LSU history 2006 and 2007 Miles managed to lose FOUR games. I just tend to believe when it comes to game management, Miles might be one of the worst in the country.
Silly to downplay a national title. I don't care if we back into every national title.
That said, no one wanted Miles fired after 2007, and anyone that claims so is lying. It's one thing to "hope Miles left for Michigan" and a completely different thing to say you wanted him fired after 2007.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:25 pm to JPLSU1981
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Silly to downplay a national title. I don't care if we back into every national title.
its silly to downplay the fact that we lost games we had no business losing in 2007.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:26 pm to JPLSU1981
Miles has had an ON GOING problem with thinking on his feet. If he has enough time to prepare and make decisions he usually does well but it is obvious that he had problems making these quick decisions in the heat of the battle. He need to go to counseling.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:29 pm to Elleshoe
quote:I thought Nick Saban was a bad hire; DiNardo beat him in the Indy Bowl. Shows what I knew. What I didn't know was Saban was a good coach, but a not very nice mercenary disguised as a coach, for sale to the highest bidder. Would I want him back at LSU? Never.
I thought he was a bad hire and when I thought he was going to UM I was thrilled.
When Les Miles was hired, I was hopeful we'd gotten somebody who knew football, had been tested in the Big 10 and 12, and could come to LSU and build on what Saban deserted for Miami. The white hat was dumb, but he seemed like a decent person, and was getting results his first two seasons. I was ok with him, and was glad he chose to stay at LSU and not go to UM. Do I wish differently today? Yes. Can I change it? No. He's here and I doubt seriously that UM would ever want him after yesterday's fiasco and the last two seasons.
In his tenure at LSU, Les Miles has managed to dismantle the culture of excellence that was Saban's one positive legacy. It is now as if we'd gone directly from DiNardo to Miles, with no Saban interlude in-between.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:36 pm to JPLSU1981
I neither like nor dislike Miles as a coach. I simply believe the LSU program will not move forward under his leadership. There has been something missing for the past two years. There have been to many mistakes and error and they all
point to a lack of good coaching. We just can't seem to put a complete game together and operate smoothly.
point to a lack of good coaching. We just can't seem to put a complete game together and operate smoothly.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:38 pm to LSUtigahs28
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If we get a good coach there will be no whining, complaining nor criticizing.
There were folks on here after the 03 BCS win stating that players cramping up was inexcusable...
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:22 pm to tirebiter
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I can't believe it has taken 5-years for many to recognize how poorly the coach has performed at this highly obvious key aspect of coaching called game management. Luck and talent bailed out the team many times in the past. Why attempt to blow smoke up someone's arse when reality is staring one in the face?
THIS.
Miles' problems were obvious from the word go.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:09 pm to JPLSU1981
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FWIW, I don't think anyone (including myself) made Les Miles out to be a "great" coach. I have said before that Miles is a good coach, and has yet to show greatness (although I was certainly hoping for LSU's sake that he would indeed become a great coach at LSU)
You 3 whopping days ago:
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Yeah, there's no way around it. Les Miles has done a fantastic job at LSU. Anyone that says otherwise is simply put: wrong.
Like I said, though, it's ok to be wrong every now and then.
Dude, give it up. You were blind and now you can see. To claim you never thought he was great (just 'fantastic') is just a touch north of pathetic.
You were wrong, now you get it. Again, welcome aboard the common sense express.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:14 pm to DaBeerz
When you are being paid that kind of money...you should improve...unorganized game management is not acceptable...name me a high school coach in Louisiana who could consistently get away with this kind of game mismanagement.... 
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:17 pm to JPLSU1981
Les Miles needs to fix his lack of clock management awareness--not hard to do.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:34 pm to JPLSU1981
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Although I like Les Miles as a man, and he is one of the top recruiters and "program managers" in the country IMO, if we do not win the SEC West in 2010, I think it's time to say, "thanks, Coach Miles, we appreciate everything you've done for us, but we need to move on."
well said, I think he has to win the SEC title though... Since Flordia will be down...
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I support our player wholeheartedly, but this is the greatest waste of talent since Jerry Glanville pissed away the talent on the Houston Oilers! I can no longer ignore the ridiculous delay of game, false starts, and offside penalties that plague every game we play in.
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The irony is I hate fans that were blind to the obvious (his colossal mismanagement of time and play calling) because they allow themselves to be playful little lemmings and ignore reality. You can be a massive fan and still not be blind to total stupidity.
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How did it take so many people SO LONG to realize Les is not the great coach that the "positigers" make him out to be? Holy shite... how many people have been saying that his talent wins in spite of his stupidity for at least the last 2 years? I mean, it's been pretty obvious to me since about 2007, but a lot of people go back to 2005 and 2006... and now you're here "eating crow" about 2 years after it was in plain view. Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but, jeez.
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What is it going to take to get it through your stupid fricking head that Les coaches this team DOWN EVERY week.
Lets go through the games this year
Washington - Should have been a blow out. The D struggles can be excused because of the new DC, but our O blew for no reason. The team also looked bored an uninterested for stretches of the game
Vanderbilt - Same story as above except the D played better, there is still no excuse for the O sucking except the fact that Les is a terrible motivator and doesn't make the most of his talent.
ULL - Our O continued to struggle against a shitty opponent. The team played down to ULL
Miss. St. - Another game against inferior talent where we played down to their level. Neither unit looked really good.
WE WON ON A GOAL LINE STAND AGAINST MISS. ST.
Read that six times and ask who's fault it is. Its Les Miles fault the team came in unprepared, unfocused, and played down their opponent.
Georgia - We were one bad call away from losing this game. Once against the O looked like shite. Once against Les's team looked unprepared and let a inferior team hang around for 50 minutes.
Florida - Our O didn't look just bad the looked totally incompetent. They didn't play with fire or intensity and we had no game plan.
Auburn - The only good coaching job this season
Alabama - Once again we had an impotent O. The team at least looked like the wanted to win this
LA Tech - Pitiful. We were trailing at half to this team because Les Miles' team once again played down to inferior competition and looked lost and unprepared.
Ole Miss - I don't even need to say anything about this fiasco.
So we pay Les for one good coaching job and two mediocre coaching performances(UF and Bama) a year?
Or do you want to dispute my analysis.
OUTSTANDING POST!!!...BEEN SAYING IT FOR 2 DAMN YEARS!!!
My Solution is this....
First, you find out if Gary Patterson wants the Job, if he does, work out the contract immediately, right before he is to sign the contract fire coach miles...He's not going to win the SEC title game next year...and to me that is the ONLY thing that can save his job... But me, I dont waste another year, because someone is going to grab up patterson and I think he is the next "Saban".... If not him go after peterson at Boise St..Those are the only two in my opinoin....Maybe Kelly from Cinncy...
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:22 pm to MiaTigah
Yeah, Nick was so good he "the defensive wizard"
got his arse beat on the last play against Iowa at Cap One Bowl in his last game before he gave us the boot. ALA can have the headset slamming ego maniac jerk. He even taught Derek Dooley how to be a S** Dooley slapped one of his players. Now there is no doubt that Nick is the better coach, but be there no mistake, his players FEAR his wrath.
got his arse beat on the last play against Iowa at Cap One Bowl in his last game before he gave us the boot. ALA can have the headset slamming ego maniac jerk. He even taught Derek Dooley how to be a S** Dooley slapped one of his players. Now there is no doubt that Nick is the better coach, but be there no mistake, his players FEAR his wrath.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:30 pm to mikenlsufan
Hogs by 21
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:38 pm to JPLSU1981
I'll say it: "told ya so"
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:40 pm to Elleshoe
i won't say i told you so, but i think it does justify a lot of what we the "negatigers" have been saying. yesterday was a complete joke in terms of coaching and game decisions from miles, and there is NO WAY any miles worshipper can spin it their way now. i'ts obvious now to the world Miles is a clown as the hc, and LSU will continue to lose ground with him as coach. Hopefully though from now on when someone speaks out against Miles they will no longer be attacked with insults like bandwagon fan and chicken little.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:44 pm to igoringa
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Dude, give it up. You were blind and now you can see. To claim you never thought he was great (just 'fantastic') is just a touch north of pathetic.
You were wrong, now you get it. Again, welcome aboard the common sense express.
Dude, you're the one following me around and replying to every thread that I post in. Will you please give it up?
Miles has done a great job at LSU overall IMO, but 2008 was unacceptable for various reasons, and now 2009 is looking as though it very well may end up being unacceptable. Why do you have such a problem with me saying that?
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