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re: Its Ross tonight
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:33 am to fanrun
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:33 am to fanrun
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We need to close it out tonight
No, we don't. If we lose tonight, I'm quite sure we'll still be in a very good position to win on Wednesday.
Having said that, I feel good about tonight if we get a decent performance out of Ross.
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:34 am to 10Percenter
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ok, WHY????
Ranaudo could use another day. Let's get behind Ross and hope he pitches the game of his life!
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:36 am to moneyg
Moneyg after further consideration, me thinks you are RIGHT!(OLD ENGLISH).
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:39 am to Brageous
PM has made all the right moves with this team. if he wants or feels he needs to start Ross and give Ranaudo his full rest, so be it. I'm not questioning him.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:42 am to TigerWerm
This is a typical strategy, often employed in little league best of 3 championships. It isn't really about rest. You win game 1. You know the other team is going to throw their best pitching in game 2 and theyre going to be pumped up. Save your ace incase of a game 3. The other team would have used their best pitching up and you'd have quite an advantage.
This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:44 am to Darren
Someone on another board posted this, posted that PM said this on Rivals Radio this am. Anyone else catch it?
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Ott is a no-go, to many innings. Renaudo will close/long relief if we have a lead.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:45 am to moneyg
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He is not needed thanks to the win last night.
he shouldnt treat it any differently.
he said yesterday he would treat game 1 as game 3, and obviously he has went away from that thinking.
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This is clearly the right move IMO.
theres nothing clear about it
Ross hasnt started a game in a month
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:49 am to seawolf06
Not sure Ranaudo would be the best closer. Often he needs a few innings to get settled into a groove. He is built as a starter, not a reliever. That said, he obiously has electric stuff when he's on, so it may be worth the risk if the game is tight, especially with Ott unavailable.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:52 am to MetArl15
Ross starting is a good strategy and heres why:
Texas has to win to continue. They will pitch their best pitchers no matter what tonight to get the win. If they win, they are down to their 3rd string and will face a rested arguably 1st string AR who will put the nail in the coffin for us. It's a safer strategy than to pitch AR not fully rested and have to relie on our bullpen against their bullpen in game three.
In the end it doesn't matter if we win in two or three, It matters that we win!
Winning in three is actually a safer strategy.
Go ahead and flame now
Texas has to win to continue. They will pitch their best pitchers no matter what tonight to get the win. If they win, they are down to their 3rd string and will face a rested arguably 1st string AR who will put the nail in the coffin for us. It's a safer strategy than to pitch AR not fully rested and have to relie on our bullpen against their bullpen in game three.
In the end it doesn't matter if we win in two or three, It matters that we win!
Winning in three is actually a safer strategy.
Go ahead and flame now
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:57 am to TigerWilson88
TigerWilson88: Pretty much exactly what I was trying to explain. It is a fairly common strategy in best of 3 games against teams who don't have 6 or 7 good pitchers.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:06 pm to TigerWilson88
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Texas has to win to continue. They will pitch their best pitchers no matter what tonight to get the win. If they win, they are down to their 3rd string and will face a rested arguably 1st string AR who will put the nail in the coffin for us. It's a safer strategy than to pitch AR not fully rested and have to relie on our bullpen against their bullpen in game three.
stupid strategy
hope this isnt Mainieri's train of thought.
im guessing its more along the lines of getting Ranaudo another days rest, not who Texas is going to "hopefully" have to pitch along the way.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:09 pm to JFremani
a) Ross is capable of at least giving you a similar outting to what Coleman did last night. LSU won that game. If Ross can go 5 or 6 while giving up 4 or 5 runs then LSU has a great shot at winning.
b) This gives Ranaudo an extra day of rest which can only help him.
c) If Ross gets into trouble early then you have Bradshaw, Cain, Byrd, etc available. I am sure PM will have a short leash.
d) Ross may just surprise some people on here. He has a good enough fastball with a very good assortment of breaking pitches. Texas didn't handle the breaking ball too well last night and if Ross has his breaking ball working then he is capable of being very effective.
e)Cole Green is more hittable than Jungmann is. He is a lot less dominant than Ruffin and Jungmann. Green's ERA was right around 3.7 in Big 12 play so, if a game 3 is necessary, then LSU has a bigger pitching edge than they would have had tonight even with Ranaudo.
b) This gives Ranaudo an extra day of rest which can only help him.
c) If Ross gets into trouble early then you have Bradshaw, Cain, Byrd, etc available. I am sure PM will have a short leash.
d) Ross may just surprise some people on here. He has a good enough fastball with a very good assortment of breaking pitches. Texas didn't handle the breaking ball too well last night and if Ross has his breaking ball working then he is capable of being very effective.
e)Cole Green is more hittable than Jungmann is. He is a lot less dominant than Ruffin and Jungmann. Green's ERA was right around 3.7 in Big 12 play so, if a game 3 is necessary, then LSU has a bigger pitching edge than they would have had tonight even with Ranaudo.
This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:13 pm to JFremani
It's time for our bats to bring home the trophy. We should be able to out score Texas.
If we hit the ball like we can, we should win tonight. If not, we'll have our ace ready for tomorrow.
If we hit the ball like we can, we should win tonight. If not, we'll have our ace ready for tomorrow.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:18 pm to Lester Earl
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stupid strategy
I tend to agree with you....but I ain't complaining. LOL Mainieri needs to think back to last year's CWS and what happened to UGA after winning game 1 and blowing a lead in game 2.
I have a feeling that we will get to Ross early and often. He's just not that good. I understand the strategy, but I also think that sometimes you have to go for the jugular. Last night Augie threw everything at y'all but the kitchen sink.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:22 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
it's official now.
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RHP Austin Ross will start for LSU in tonight's game 2 of the CWS final series.
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Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:26 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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but I also think that sometimes you have to go for the jugular. Last night Augie threw everything at y'all but the kitchen sink.
And that pretty much solidifies my point. Augie threw everything at LSU but the kitchen sink and LOST the game. So let's say PM follows that same philosophy. He brings Ranaudo back on 3 days rest and Ranaudo is ineffective. You will then have burnt your ace by using him on short rest in a game that isn't even a must-win. If Texas had won last night then you absolutely bring Ranaudo back because you have to win game 2 to even have a chance at a game 3. You now have the luxury of saving Ranaudo for a game 3. And that extra day of rest is extremely helpful for a power pitcher. Coach is making the smart move. You can't assume that Ranaudo going on 3 days rest is a guaranteed victory. Just like you can't assume that Ross pitching tonight is a guaranteed loss. PM is giving Ranaudo an extra day and is making the safe, logical move.
You seem to forget that Texas has to slow LSU down as well. It isn't all on Ross. PM is making the safer, smarter call. It isn't the gutsy, aggressive call. Augie did that last night and I'm glad he did.
This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:28 pm to beardedzeus
It's amazing after 14 straight wins, there are so many people smarter than Mainieri.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:30 pm to tigamike
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Hultbergs show
when the shite did jordy get a show? is it on the radio?
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:31 pm to Lester Earl
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Renaudo will close/long relief if we have a lead
this scares me a bit, what if he pitches like 3 innings and gives up a couple runs and gets pulled, then who the frick would we pitch Wednesday if necessary?
Posted on 6/23/09 at 12:37 pm to Lester Earl
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he shouldnt treat it any differently.
Yes he should. Why take a greater risk of getting a less than 100% Ranaudo? Risk greatly outweighs the reward.
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Ross hasnt started a game in a month
That is outweighed by the fact that Ranaudo started a game just 3 days (of rest) ago. It's the lesser of two evils.
Ranaudo on 3 days rest with a heat index of over 100 degrees is a risky when you aren't facing elimination and could eliminate your pitching advantage for game 3 if it doesn't work out.
In my mind, this is an easy decision.
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