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Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64972 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:41 pm to
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Lange had a shoulder injury in 2021


And you want to try and correlate that to throwing 125 pitch’s in a game sf LSU on 2017?

Why don’t we just blame his 12U travel ball coach?
Posted by FOBW
N.O.
Member since Sep 2016
439 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:46 pm to
Ben MacDonald every time skip ran him out there.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
289800 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:50 pm to
Are you under the impression arm injuries usually have proximate cause?

Of course you can’t disprove that it wasn’t related either. Cause that’s how arm injuries generally work.

And lol at the statement that he’s never been injured. Though I’m sure you won’t acknowledge how silly you sound. Lol
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36594 posts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:02 am to
Not sure what you're laughing at. It was common, including Nolan Ryan

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This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5672 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:45 am to
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It’s got much more to do with knowing your pitchers mechanics, red flags, etc.


This is correct.

The physiology of every individual is different. Thus, the point at which their mechanics breaks down is different. Every individual has done a different amount of work in the offseason to prepare their bodies for the season. Some people are built for distance and others for quickness. Countless differences that will change things.

I guess I did not explain this well enough last time.
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
7583 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 7:51 am to
That Friday night was a sauna just humidity like a blanket.
The Saturday was 100+ dead sunlight.
The stands were sparse w/ people because everyone was under the concourse.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87620 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:44 am to
Those weren’t UCL tears. Elbow pain and soreness halfway through a game has nothing to do with the UCL or the nerve that it helps protect. A real partial or full tear causes that nerve to be exposed to a jolt of pain with every real attempt to throw hard. It’s a sharp not dull pain. None of those guys had MRIs to confirm anything. The Dickey comment has to do with Jobe telling Ryan he needed TJ surgery at the end of 1986 after a manual “test” whatever that was. Ryan even described it as an “aching” pain suggesting it wasn’t affecting the UCL or the nerve. Jobe pioneered the surgery and wanted Ryan to get it to help it become more mainstream. Yet Ryan showed up “healed” by the next season suggesting that it wasn’t a tear at all. Jobe tried to say the ligament “calcified” over which I’m not sure is a real thing but if so, is likely a very rare occurrence and is not something to be relied upon. Ryan’s career ended on an actual UCL tear though.

Point being, calling it common is disingenuous because 1) you have 2 examples and 2) both examples can’t be shown to be actual UCL tears
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 8:55 am
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4838 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:53 am to
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it's a whole lot more involved than just the number of pitches.


All of this.

It goes all the way back to when these kids are 10 playing in travel ball tournaments.

There are three things that are imperative to arm care. Mechanics, conditioning, and rest. Every other metric is just noise.

Pitch count gets thrown around a lot these days, but the real issue is fatigue setting in and mechanics faltering the deeper these kids go into the pitch count.

I encourage anyone with a young pitcher to check out the work Brent Pourciau over at Top Velocity has done on this. Dude is an actual wizard.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
30117 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:54 am to
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Y’all are trying to simplify this way too much. It’s not any one single thing. It’s the prevalence of single sport athletes pitching year around It’s its overuse of the youth arms. It’s pitch type and the obsession with velocity. Its pitch counts. It’s rest days. It’s a little bit of everything. But it all boils down to throwing a baseball is not healthy for the elbow. You know how to make sure you never get Tommy John? Never throw a baseball.

Exactly. Ben McDonald talked about this last year.

Another one that is a factor is release point relative to the elbow position and the stress that it causes. Paul Skenes teeters right on the line. That’s why they were concerned about his longevity.
Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11954 posts
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:38 am to
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Lane's game was 24 years ago? frick...


Lol let that sink in… we’re that old now
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