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re: Les vs CEO
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:53 pm to Havoc
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:53 pm to Havoc
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Revisionist history. 6–5–1, 6–6, 7–5, 6-6, 9-2, against non-SEC teams.
You're acting like the Big Ten wasn't worth a shite back then.
Michigan won a national title, Ron Dayne was running loose in Rose Bowls, Ohio State was making a living in the top-5 nearly every year, and in '99, 7 teams finished ranked. Meanwhile, the SEC West was being won by 3 and 4 loss teams.
Revisionist history is looking at Michigan State's record under Saban and simply concluding his resume was underwhelming.
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:55 pm to winston318
quote:Oh my...
He also benefited from a weak SEC west during his first half.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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Nutt goes 9-4 back to back then wins 5-6 games the next 2 years....shows me CEO got talent on campus
Getting the talent was never the problem with Orgeron. I don't think anyone has said otherwise, and that illuminates my entire point. He did not do a good job of maximizing the potential of his players.
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Who knows if he was given another year maybe he goes 9-4 or better. That is something know one knows. Obviously he did lay the foundation for back to back 9-4 seasons though
Like I said, that's a tough sell in my opinion. If I'm the AD I would've had to see something that showed the team was improving and I don't think Orgeron in 2007 did that. Then you add in all of his antics and he wasn't worth it. I think 3 years is enough time for a team to show improvement.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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Who knows if he was given another year maybe he goes 9-4 or better. That is something know one knows.
I literally had a shiver run down my spine reading this assuming this type of thought process could keep O here for 5 years to find out if he'll work out.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:56 pm to slackster
So he basically improved their record by 0-2 games and added a couple more wins in 99.
prior to NCAA forfeits:
5–6
6–6
5–6
Saban
6-5-1
6-6
7-5
9-2
Wow.
All of which they lost by double-digit margins.
Again, the point is you rantards worship Saban, and while he's does much to earn it present-day, in 2000 after losses to Auburn and UAB, he was very much NOT a known quantity and fans were questioning him the same way.
That's not to imply that O is going to reach anywhere near Sabans level as some of you twist the point to appear so, simply to state that the future is unwritten and panicking, which you Chicken Littles love to do, is foolish.
prior to NCAA forfeits:
5–6
6–6
5–6
Saban
6-5-1
6-6
7-5
9-2
Wow.
quote:
he goes to 3 straight bowl games from 1995-1997.
All of which they lost by double-digit margins.
Again, the point is you rantards worship Saban, and while he's does much to earn it present-day, in 2000 after losses to Auburn and UAB, he was very much NOT a known quantity and fans were questioning him the same way.
That's not to imply that O is going to reach anywhere near Sabans level as some of you twist the point to appear so, simply to state that the future is unwritten and panicking, which you Chicken Littles love to do, is foolish.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:59 pm to Mohican
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Dabo, Jimbo, et. al. have all had lackluster moments. There is an irrational hatred for O by a large portion of this fanbase. Was he a homerun hire? No. Was it time for Les to go? Yes. The program was becoming stale. O is our coach now. I will hope for the best for him and for the Tigers. I'm loving the roll he and they are on right now. Momentum is a helluva drug, and we has it right now.
This.
I've never really appreciated the stupidity of this place until these days.
The selective memory, revisionist history, and downright ignorance is incredible. Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:01 pm to Havoc
quote:
I've never really appreciated the stupidity of this place until these days. The selective memory, revisionist history, and downright ignorance is incredible.
On this we agree , albeit for completely different reasons hahahhaa
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:08 pm to prplngldtigr
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Michigan State was 0-11 the season prior to Saban's arrival.
They earned 5-6 on the field.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:11 pm to Spankem
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With CEO...mainly his coordinators, I feel like we have a chance.
quote:Not yet
This recruiting class was on par with Les' classes
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Our kicker under Les couldn't kick it past the 5 yard line can all of the sudden kick it out of the endzone under CEO
quote:
the future finally looks bright.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:13 pm to nvasil1
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Revisionist history is looking at Michigan State's record under Saban and simply concluding his resume was underwhelming.
It wasn't underwhelming, but it wasn't awe-inspiring either. Something for the haters and pumpers to both latch on to.
We were having these same fricking arguments in September 2000.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:13 pm to Havoc
quote:
So he basically improved their record by 0-2 games and added a couple more wins in 99. prior to NCAA forfeits: 5–6 6–6 5–6 Saban 6-5-1 6-6 7-5 9-2
How does this help your case with Orgeron? He didn't improve OM at all.
It's easier to go from 3 to 5 wins than it is to go from 5 to 9.
quote:
Again, the point is you rantards worship Saban, and while he's does much to earn it present-day, in 2000 after losses to Auburn and UAB, he was very much NOT a known quantity and fans were questioning him the same way.
He won 8 games that year, after LSU had won 3 the year before. Are you forgetting that? He took a bad team and improved it.
That year was a resounding success, and it was proven in the record, UAB notwithstanding.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:17 pm to Havoc
quote:Oh I see, the 5 MSU wins were vs teams that also paid players.
They earned 5-6 on the field.
Makes sense.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:22 pm to Havoc
quote:
Havoc
Holy frick, you're really trying to downplay Saban to compare him to O?
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It wasn't underwhelming, but it wasn't awe-inspiring either.
Right, and O's is not only not awe inspiring, but unlike Saban's, is simultaneously underwhelming. I'm glad you've admitted that you were being stupid and even using Saban as an analogy is asinine. Thanks.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 1:31 pm to Mayhawman
quote:
2015- 437ypg, 32.8ppg
2017- 392ypg, 25.6ppg (not even halfway through SEC sched)
OH SNAP
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:22 pm to Topwater Trout
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i just don't think we should say he won't take us to a championship based on ole miss
No coach has ever started their career as bad as O, and gone on to win an NC at any point in there future. In the HISTORY of college football....it's never happened.
I think looking at a coaches history is a pretty damn good indicator of where they can go. Obviously, coaches can improve to some degree...but they chances of going from 'historically horrid' to 'Elite NC winner' is extremely far fetched.
i choose facts, not dreams
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:27 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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Gotta improve where we're at recruiting wise. Right now it looks like we will end with a class ranked between 20-15.
We are leading for two players ranked in the top 10. Plus more top 100 players.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 2:29 pm to SportTiger1
Forgive me...I lied. Its happened once. I shared this back in december.
Average first 3 years is 68% winning %
Average first 3 years is 68% winning %
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:19 pm to Spankem
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letting the states top recruits go to bama
I did some research on this exact matter a few months back (not going to do it again at this moment) and if I remember correctly, the most top ten Louisiana recruits Les lost in any one year was 5. Ed Orgeron lost 7 his first year.
Boy howdy, we're making progress now.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 5:30 pm to Goldrush25
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17-6 @ 2 of the biggest programs in the country
quote:
That's a good record now?
I suppose it is for a guy that had a 10 win 25 loss record in his only actual head coaching gig.
That would be crummy record for a coach like Miles. And the Miles haters will swear on their mother's lives that it's a crummy record. But now that it's Coach o's record, stop the presses, that's a solid record!
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