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re: Let’s all take a deep breath
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:55 am to semjase
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:55 am to semjase
quote:believe me, my aspirations are for championships - but this post is absurd.
Any competitive person that has ever played a down of organized football at any level full well knows that if you don't finish in first place at the end of the season, you might as well be in last place.
Second Place Acceptance is for losers; no difference between second place and last place.
It's not AT ALL the same if we finish second place in the SEC, with a 1-point loss to Bama, and finishing 0-8.
Good lord, man, I'm all for striving for the top, but your comment was absurd.
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:55 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I didn’t say it didn’t but it’s not a 1 game season
It's not and you are a good poster but most people on here see the offense as having no vision for the future.
We all view this offense as the same or worse offense than what Miles had and it got him fired.
10-2, 11-2 is a good year we all agree on that point.
What we are all wondering is how do we take that next step because with our current offense we are only playing for 2nd best.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:56 am to Draconian Sanctions
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There’s 11 other games on the schedule besides Alabama and winning 10 of them and going to a major bowl game is a good year, I don’t see how anyone could argue that.
No one would.
Doesn’t change the realization that as soon as Meyer’s QB and Miles’ DC are done bailing out our cheerleader HC this program is finished.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:58 am to Draconian Sanctions
Decent season not good.
Also not an improvement in terms of our offense.
Recruiting is suffering so it's going the wrong direction.
Conditioning is also weak sauce.
Also not an improvement in terms of our offense.
Recruiting is suffering so it's going the wrong direction.
Conditioning is also weak sauce.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Looking at the big picture,
There is scant chance that Edward Orgeron will build a first rate program at LSU. I do not think he has the temperament or the vision to do so. He is quick to blame others, including the players which is absurd. The buck stops with him.
One need look no farther than the Canada fiasco to see what kind of ego coach has. That is the tell-tale if anyone cares to look.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:16 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yeah, we need to calm down and look at the bigger picture. This wasn't a disaster, nor was it unexpected.
Yes, Arkansas scored 31... Alabama had 65.
Yes, Arkansas scored 14 in the first half... Alabama had 41.
Remember, Alabama scored a TD with 1:15 left in the 1st half, to push it to 16-0. Had we played with any intelligence re: ball control, we make it to halftime down 9-0.
We were shut out because we made Bama work for it. Arkansas scored because Bama was coasting. I don't care if it was starters out there or not, the attitude changes for players depending on the score.
quote:Games aren't played in a vacuum. Go look at Alabama's scores in those games too.
Only team Bama has shutout this year... go look at who all they've played.
Yes, Arkansas scored 31... Alabama had 65.
Yes, Arkansas scored 14 in the first half... Alabama had 41.
Remember, Alabama scored a TD with 1:15 left in the 1st half, to push it to 16-0. Had we played with any intelligence re: ball control, we make it to halftime down 9-0.
We were shut out because we made Bama work for it. Arkansas scored because Bama was coasting. I don't care if it was starters out there or not, the attitude changes for players depending on the score.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:34 am to TaderSalad
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Only in fantasy football is a team rewarded for not allowing an offense to score alot of points. At the end of the day... a point must be scored to win a game
I completely agree im only saying that you cant compare us not scoring on bamas first string to other teams scoring on a 3rd string defense. We got their best for the entire game, no other team had to face that. Doesnt make us better it just means that our defense made it a serious game long enough to make saban leave his top troops on the field. I doubt any of those 4th quarter scoring statistics exist if saban leaves his 1st string in the whole game.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
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and going to a major bowl game is a good year, I don’t see how anyone could argue that.
sure back when all we had was the AP/UPI polling system and only around 17 bowl games. hey great! we now have around 40 plus bowl games. bowl games are useless indicators now.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:11 pm to Fat Bastard
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quote: and going to a major bowl game is a good year, I don’t see how anyone could argue that.
quote:true, and also going to a major bowl isn't our goal. Our goal is championships, or at least being seriously in the mix most years.
sure back when all we had was the AP/UPI polling system and only around 17 bowl games. hey great! we now have around 40 plus bowl games. bowl games are useless indicators now.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'm fine with all of that. But we are going to need a new OC to have any chance of going to the next level. Our offense has simply not cut it.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:50 pm to Fat Bastard
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sure back when all we had was the AP/UPI polling system and only around 17 bowl games. hey great! we now have around 40 plus bowl games. bowl games are useless indicators now.
Aha but only 12 teams make the NY6. Big difference between the Sugar Bowl and the Texas Bowl.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:50 pm to atltiger6487
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Our goal is championships, or at least being seriously in the mix most years.
Honestly...what are LSU football's goals every year? Let's assume...
Goal #1 has to be: Win the SECW, right? That's step #1 for any larger goal...so it's the West first.
Well, that's an issue. As it turns out, BAMA is in the SECW, and if we concede the game to them every year (make no mistake, read many of the posts the past few days that say we'll never beat BAMA so long as Saban is there**) we are done without ever reaching Goal #1.
Goal #2 would be win the SEC. But again, without Goal #1 this is impossible.
Goal #3...CFP, right? See Goal #1.
Goal #4: Win the NC. Again...Goal #1. And even if we manage to get through the first three goals, BAMA will almost certainly be waiting in the CFP, so we'll need to beat them twice.
So...it really IS a one game schedule if we care about any reasonable goals for the program. Or...we no longer care about goals like winning titles, and they now shift to arbitrary things like total numbers of wins and a "good" bowl in an era when bowl games outside of the CFP really don't mean anything anymore but extra practice time and a trip.
** This has become the new mantra...that no one can beat Saban so long as he's there. Funny thing, that's not what the mantra used to be. It was...Les Miles will never beat Saban so long as he's there, or have we forgotten? Miles was the issue...not that Saban was unbeatable by EVERYONE. Now...since Orgeron has failed to even give BAMA a real game in three straight tries, Saban is an unattainable goal and no one should even worry about that game.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:51 pm to atltiger6487
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true, and also going to a major bowl isn't our goal
No, it isn’t, but we haven’t even been making major bowls recently. It’s a step in the right direction for a coach in his second full season.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:but this wasn't a rebuild. We fired Miles to immediately get us over the hump to the top, not to have nice seasons and play in nice bowl games.
It’s a step in the right direction for a coach in his second full season.
O doesn't get the benefit of a 3-4 year window for a rebuild.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:05 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Look, we were #3 in the playoff rankings, playing #1.
true, and also going to a major bowl isn't our goal. Our goal is championships, or at least being seriously in the mix most years.
It seems like we WERE in the mix.
Like everyone else, I want LSU to win championships. But I'm not going to say it's Playoffs or bust. If we can finish 11-2 and ranked around #5, that's a tremendous season. It was under Les, it would have been under Saban, it would be under Orgeron. Last year the disclaimer was that the schedule was weak. This year the schedule is tougher, and (God willing) the results will be better.
Now, can O go beyond 11-2 and get into the playoffs? That, I don't really know. Can't say I have much confidence he can make that jump. And it's why we moved from Miles, to make that jump.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
LSU isn't going to the Sugar Bowl. UGA will go if they lose to Bama, 11-2 SEC runner ups is better than 10-2 nothing champion. In addition, LSU can only finish second if they win the West and lose the SEC championship game.
Who went to college here?
Who went to college here?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:15 pm to atltiger6487
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O doesn't get the benefit of a 3-4 year window for a rebuild.
He’s already gotten that.
LSU still controlled it’s own destiny in 2016 when O took over.
Even after losing the West to Alabama, he STILL had a Sugar Bowl in hand had he beaten a grossly outmanned Florida team coached by Simple Mac and let that slip through his fingers.
That’s strike 1.
Last year a loss to a Sun Belt team again kept us out of the NY6 after losing the West to Alabama again.
That’s strike 2.
Now we lose the West again and have a chance to get a NY6 bid with wins over three unranked teams.
I do think we get those wins, so he avoids that third strike.
So where does that leave us next year? No one expects to win the West (again) so four years without getting to Atlanta (the same amount of time as Miles when he was being ousted in 2015).
At what point is he held accountable for what both he and the AD said was the standard when he got the job?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:19 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
true, and also going to a major bowl isn't our goal. Our goal is championships, or at least being seriously in the mix most years.
been sayin'
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:24 pm to Scoob
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But I'm not going to say it's Playoffs or bust.
it is win west or make playoffs on a consistent basis every 3 years. 2 years in between allowed for development and mulligans and being realistic. miles was fired because he could not attain that.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 11/6/18 at 1:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The so-called LSU offense is an embarrassment. How can anyone now claim that O's notion of offense can be taken seriously. Steve Ensminger as OC?! It is a joke. How many other shutouts has the gumps recorded this year? Heck, for all I know, 0 is in on the deal.
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