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re: My personal story - Miles vs. Saban and the irony
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:26 pm to aglandry
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:26 pm to aglandry
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Yes, Les is a great guy who runs a clean program yada yada yada, but he is just not a very smart man and is a deeply flawed football coach....sorry that is the simple truth..
You're a bitter idiot, without knowing a damn thing about Miles as a person you can just look at his professional record, he is a success on every level. We should all be so flawed.
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Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:26 pm to bruintiger
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but he is just not a very smart man and is a deeply flawed football coach....
I knew that there was nothing Miles could do to win over some critics. That makes four consecutive years he's coached better than Saban and 2/4 that he's gotten better execution from his players.
The dude is 3-3 against Meyer, 2-2 against Saban, 2-0 against Spurrier, and 1-2 against Mark Richt.
Give the man his due, PLEASE!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:28 pm to lsugumbeaux
You have summmed up how most of us feel. Les Miles is "class" all the way and well Seban "is just sabon" glad the gumps have him.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:39 pm to lsugumbeaux
Since we're telling stories...
I haven't met either man, but heard these stories from one of the LSU band directors. In one of LSU's trips to an away game, their flight was delayed due to weather. Saban threw a fit to the airline staff, because they apparently had no control over the weather. A similar situation happened with Miles. When Miles was informed of the delay, he went and took a nap.
Here's a good Saban story...when the LSU Oregon State game was delayed due to weather, ESPN decided to skip pre-game and get on with the game after the weather had cleared. The band was already on the field. An ESPN producer went and told the band to get off the field, that they were going to skip pre-game. The same producer went to tell Saban as they were about to run on the field. Saban said, "You bought this game, right?" The producer nodded. "Well," Saban said, "The game my team plays for is the team that runs through the band after pre-game." The producer relented and pre-game began.
Also, when my mom was fighting ovarian cancer, she would go to the same guy that cut Saban's hair to fix and adjust her wig (she had lost her hair from the chemo). Saban ALWAYS said hello to her and asked her how she was doing even though he didn't know her from Adam. So there is another side to the guy.
I haven't met either man, but heard these stories from one of the LSU band directors. In one of LSU's trips to an away game, their flight was delayed due to weather. Saban threw a fit to the airline staff, because they apparently had no control over the weather. A similar situation happened with Miles. When Miles was informed of the delay, he went and took a nap.
Here's a good Saban story...when the LSU Oregon State game was delayed due to weather, ESPN decided to skip pre-game and get on with the game after the weather had cleared. The band was already on the field. An ESPN producer went and told the band to get off the field, that they were going to skip pre-game. The same producer went to tell Saban as they were about to run on the field. Saban said, "You bought this game, right?" The producer nodded. "Well," Saban said, "The game my team plays for is the team that runs through the band after pre-game." The producer relented and pre-game began.
Also, when my mom was fighting ovarian cancer, she would go to the same guy that cut Saban's hair to fix and adjust her wig (she had lost her hair from the chemo). Saban ALWAYS said hello to her and asked her how she was doing even though he didn't know her from Adam. So there is another side to the guy.
This post was edited on 11/7/10 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/7/10 at 1:49 pm to JudgeBoyett
Les Miles is a person of high character and personal loyalty. He is genuine.
Those qualities help and hurt him as a D-1 head coach.
Saban will have a better win loss record over time, but I would rather my son play for Miles (or most others) rather than Saban.
Those qualities help and hurt him as a D-1 head coach.
Saban will have a better win loss record over time, but I would rather my son play for Miles (or most others) rather than Saban.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 2:01 pm to nitwit
My feelings for our coach run strong. I've taken the time to understand the man. I've studied Michigan Football, Bo and the Ohio State/Michigan rivalry. I did this a few years back to try and understand what our coach was made of. You see, he always has this controlled passion for the game. He's embraced all the things we love about LSU in an honest and genuine way. Once I read and watched everything I could get my hands on I finally got who Les Miles is. We as residents or past residents of Louisiana were very fortunate to have Les Miles come to BR just before Katrina. He embraced the challenges unlike what most coaches could have.
I see the day far into the future when an elderly Les Miles passes from this earth and thousands of football players come to pay their respects. I see a Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee emotionally remembering how their Coach never gave up on them and how he prepared each for the challenges of life.
Les Miles and LSU are a perfect fit. Long live Coach Miles on the sideline in Tiger Stadium!
I see the day far into the future when an elderly Les Miles passes from this earth and thousands of football players come to pay their respects. I see a Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee emotionally remembering how their Coach never gave up on them and how he prepared each for the challenges of life.
Les Miles and LSU are a perfect fit. Long live Coach Miles on the sideline in Tiger Stadium!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 2:09 pm to TxTiger82
" ... relationships are a "means to an end " .. "
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.. huh ? ... Relationships are a "means to an end " ? Wow, dude, that is sad you feel that way. Really sad. ... pretty shallow perspective.
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.. huh ? ... Relationships are a "means to an end " ? Wow, dude, that is sad you feel that way. Really sad. ... pretty shallow perspective.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:07 pm to chilge1
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This thread needs to be stickied for all eternity.
He's a great man. And now he's given those loyalists the ammunition they need when people start calling him out.
3-3 against Meyer
2-2 against Saban
He can hang with the big boys in this league.
On top of that, who wants to guess what the 2005 season had looked like if we hadn't had a coaching change that year?
I have often said that things would have been handled so differently (and not well) if Saban had still been our coach in 2005. We were all going through so much but in his mind, it would have been all about him and how his schedule had to be changed. The state and the team were weary. The team in my opinion would not have had near the record that they did, if Saban had still been here. Yes he is a good coach with x's and o's but there are times that coaches have to take other things into consideration and not just coach football but coach life. Sometimes the 2 come together as in the case of the 2005 season. That is where Coach Miles is head and shoulders ahead of Coach Saban.
To the OP, Thanks for posting! Great story!
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:15 pm to lsugumbeaux
Saban is an arse. Never thought I would enjoy seeing him look like shite so much on the sidelines yesterday.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:17 pm to lsugumbeaux
Saban is an arse. Never thought I would enjoy seeing him look like shite so much on the sidelines yesterday.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:26 pm to Paulu
My cousin and I met Les Miles at L'auberge a couple years back and he was really nice. We asked if he could give us a "Have a great day" and he laughed and said it for us. She called her dad and Les talked to him on the phone. Real down to earth guy. I still can't stand his offense.
This post was edited on 11/7/10 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:29 pm to lsugumbeaux
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lsugumbeaux
You lucky SOB, regardless of how Saban acted, it still had to be pretty freaking cool to be able to talk to him. And Miles, though he may not be as good a coach as Saban, still has more class than Saban
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:41 pm to Lsuman122
Class dismissed; now you can go play in the traffic.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:56 pm to Ipreciateu2
Let me throw in a three coach contribution.
In '97, after the Florida game, I ran into a state trooper I know who was part of the growing number of people trying to keep the goalposts at midfield. This is after they took the other one and tried to throw it over the side. So I hung out with him and helped keep it on the ground. I ran around a bit outside afterward, went over to the GameDay postgame set, and was headed back to the car when I came across my friend again, escorting DiNardo to his car outside the AA building. (This is pre-football practice facility era)
So DiNardo's sudden appearance caused a crowd, and they started to rush him into his car. I placed a well timed block to a kid running around the front of the car, and DiNardo got in and left. Not long after, he came to the LSU Alumni Center where I worked at the time, and when I mentioned that episode, he perked up and said, "I remember you! That was a good block, you should come play for us!" and he signed my copy of the '95 media guide. Couldn't have been nicer to me every time he came there.
By contrast, when Saban came to the Alumni Center in 00 and 01 for a meeting or whatever, everything had to be set up just so, we were instructed not to approach him, not to speak to him unless we were spoken to, and when he was there, out of the four or five times he came there, he had complaints that were passed on to my boss each time.
I have been gone from Louisiana since Miles became coach, since Katrina, but I came down for the Superdome reopening in '06, and that weekend LSU played Tulane in TS. On the Monday of the Saints/Falcons game, I met Les Miles and had a few minutes to speak to him, and I have never met anyone more pleasant to talk to than him. When he is talking with you, he focuses his attention entirely on you and really listens to what you have to say.
So, out of three guys privileged to be the head coach at LSU, two of them at least didn't find it too hard to act like a decent person.
In '97, after the Florida game, I ran into a state trooper I know who was part of the growing number of people trying to keep the goalposts at midfield. This is after they took the other one and tried to throw it over the side. So I hung out with him and helped keep it on the ground. I ran around a bit outside afterward, went over to the GameDay postgame set, and was headed back to the car when I came across my friend again, escorting DiNardo to his car outside the AA building. (This is pre-football practice facility era)
So DiNardo's sudden appearance caused a crowd, and they started to rush him into his car. I placed a well timed block to a kid running around the front of the car, and DiNardo got in and left. Not long after, he came to the LSU Alumni Center where I worked at the time, and when I mentioned that episode, he perked up and said, "I remember you! That was a good block, you should come play for us!" and he signed my copy of the '95 media guide. Couldn't have been nicer to me every time he came there.
By contrast, when Saban came to the Alumni Center in 00 and 01 for a meeting or whatever, everything had to be set up just so, we were instructed not to approach him, not to speak to him unless we were spoken to, and when he was there, out of the four or five times he came there, he had complaints that were passed on to my boss each time.
I have been gone from Louisiana since Miles became coach, since Katrina, but I came down for the Superdome reopening in '06, and that weekend LSU played Tulane in TS. On the Monday of the Saints/Falcons game, I met Les Miles and had a few minutes to speak to him, and I have never met anyone more pleasant to talk to than him. When he is talking with you, he focuses his attention entirely on you and really listens to what you have to say.
So, out of three guys privileged to be the head coach at LSU, two of them at least didn't find it too hard to act like a decent person.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 4:56 pm to Ipreciateu2
There is no question that Les Miles is a solid person and a good human being with qualities we can all admire, but this is mostly irrelevant to the question at issue. Mike Archer was a good guy. So was Jerry DiNardo. Curly Hallman was retarded. But Les Miles is in a bit over his head. This becomes more obvious as time passes. LSU wins in spite of Les, not because he is a good coach.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:01 pm to bruintiger
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But Les Miles is in a bit over his head. This becomes more obvious as time passes. LSU wins in spite of Les, not because he is a good coach.
Sarcasm, right?
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:06 pm to bruintiger
Ha! You could go to a Michigan State board and ask for Saban stories and get a lot of good ones on his people skills and lack of niceness.
But, Saban wins and I'm sure MSU and LSU would love to have the last national championship he won. You wonder if he's doing this at bama. Coaches in college football last as long as Paterno or Beamer because they win and they build lasting personal relationships. Nick will always be good at just one.
You wonder if Nick would be happy as Belichick's DC in New England if the money was the same and people left him alone and he didn't have to mingle with the great unwashed masses.
But, Saban wins and I'm sure MSU and LSU would love to have the last national championship he won. You wonder if he's doing this at bama. Coaches in college football last as long as Paterno or Beamer because they win and they build lasting personal relationships. Nick will always be good at just one.
You wonder if Nick would be happy as Belichick's DC in New England if the money was the same and people left him alone and he didn't have to mingle with the great unwashed masses.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:06 pm to bruintiger
LSU won yesterday because of coach Miles. The supposed in over his head, inferior coach out coached Saban for the win. We are 8-1 without an SEC quality QB...there aren't many college coaches that could do that.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:08 pm to lsugumbeaux
you sound incredibly annoying
Posted on 11/7/10 at 5:12 pm to cnote
A friend's daughter worked in the football office, as a student worker, during Saban's yrs & she said that they had 2 pages of rules to follow, mostly of the "don't do this" variety, whenever they were around him. She told her dad that when Saban fell off the dock at his summer home in NC, if anyone from the football office had been there, instead of the TAF friend who pulled him out of the water, Saban would have drowned. I am sure she was being facetious, but it shows how much he was hated by the workers who had to deal put up with him on a daily basis.
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