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Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:27 pm to TheEdge
Hey puttytat, these idiots on here can't take it when somebody questions their little hero, Jamacus! I don't care who was supposedly better qb here, rather, who accomplished more winning championships. For all yall's Russell lovin, you can't explain away the 2 pathetic, and I mean PATHETIC performances in the two biggest games of the year, against Auburn and Florida in Russells supposed glory year of 06. After those 2 losses, the race for the SEC was over, along with the pressure of a winning a championship. Now come back and try to explain it all away with nonsense! 
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:30 pm to tigerstros
quote:
Hey puttytat, these idiots on here can't take it when somebody questions their little hero, Jamacus! I don't care who was supposedly better qb here, rather, who accomplished more winning championships. For all yall's Russell lovin, you can't explain away the 2 pathetic, and I mean PATHETIC performances in the two biggest games of the year, against Auburn and Florida in Russells supposed glory year of 06. After those 2 losses, the race for the SEC was over, along with the pressure of a winning a championship. Now come back and try to explain it all away with nonsense!
i'll explain away both of those games as soon as you become a man and type those 9 words.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:32 pm to tigerstros
you really are pathetic, you are an embarrassment to LSU fans.
1. You say all JR does is eat now that he is paid. In actuality, he is lower than his combine weight and has been getting praised for his work ethic all off-season
2. You pretty much said JR is stupid with 0 evidence to back it up (makes me think something else is motivating it)
we didn't lose the Auburn game because of JR. He MANAGED that game and thats a game he gets criticized for. Against UF, it was a complete team frick up. Chevis muffed a punt, Doucet dropped a kickoff, 2 of the 3 ints went Bowe and the the 3rd should have been caught by Lafell. None of those throws were stupid decisions by JR
1. You say all JR does is eat now that he is paid. In actuality, he is lower than his combine weight and has been getting praised for his work ethic all off-season
2. You pretty much said JR is stupid with 0 evidence to back it up (makes me think something else is motivating it)
quote:
For all yall's Russell lovin, you can't explain away the 2 pathetic, and I mean PATHETIC performances in the two biggest games of the year,
we didn't lose the Auburn game because of JR. He MANAGED that game and thats a game he gets criticized for. Against UF, it was a complete team frick up. Chevis muffed a punt, Doucet dropped a kickoff, 2 of the 3 ints went Bowe and the the 3rd should have been caught by Lafell. None of those throws were stupid decisions by JR
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:35 pm to tigerstros
Oh and to answer teenie bopper, Don't really give a shite who was supposedly better, however no one can question that Flynn accomplished more in one year of starting (SEC Title, NCAA title) than Russell did in 2 and a half years of starting(SEC west title). And also don't forget to throw in Flynn's domolition of Miami in the Peach Bowl making his first start ever! Again, I don't care who is supposed to be better, rather, what the team accomplishes under any QB.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:36 pm to tigerstros
quote:
Oh and to answer teenie bopper, Don't really give a shite who was supposedly better, however no one can question that Flynn accomplished more in one year of starting (SEC Title, NCAA title) than Russell did in 2 and a half years of starting(SEC west title). And also don't forget to throw in Flynn's domolition of Miami in the Peach Bowl making his first start ever! Again, I don't care who is supposed to be better, rather, what the team accomplishes under any QB.
flynn did not win an sec title.
and you still havent typed those 9 words.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:37 pm to tigerstros
Tigerbait, latiger, and eighteen go get yourselves a room boys! 
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:38 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
. After those 2 losses, the race for the SEC was over,
no, it wasn't. Arkansas had to lose one game and they had to play at South Carolina, Tennessee, and a MSU. Tenn was ranked 13th when Arkansas beat them and Tenn was ranked 8th the previous week before we beat them.
Flynn played terrible against Kentucky, Tulane, and Alabama. He played ok at best vs. Florida, and South Carolina (he threw the ball terrible vs. USC, but he had that cool flip to David, Ole Miss.
Not one of those teams had a defense like Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Arkansas in 06
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:39 pm to tigerstros
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Tigerbait, latiger, and eighteen go get yourselves a room boys!
maybe one day your balls will drop and you will have the courage to come back here and type those 9 words.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:39 pm to tigerstros
quote:
Flynn's domolition of Miami in the Peach Bowl making his first start ever!
do you remember what JR did the 1st time he came into a game?
Why couldn't Flynn get the offense moving against Tenn in 06 when he came in or against UGA in 05 when he came?
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:40 pm to TigerBait1127
The only mistake JR made against uf was fumbling at the goal line. Au was not his fault
I guess since Flynn won a nc it makes him a better college qb than elway payton Eli etc...
I guess since Flynn won a nc it makes him a better college qb than elway payton Eli etc...
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:42 pm to TigerBait1127
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Flynn played terrible against Kentucky, Tulane, and Alabama. He played ok at best vs. Florida, and South Carolina (he threw the ball terrible vs. USC, but he had that cool flip to David, Ole Miss.
Don't forget his horrid first half against Arky.
They gave us that game and Flynn threw it away.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:43 pm to TheEdge
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Don't forget his horrid first half against Arky.
i'm gonna give him a pass on that because of play calling. He isn't that good throwing on the run and they kept rolling him out. When he rolls out, the ball sails high. We should have put that team away in the 1st quarter
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:43 pm to latiger09
"i'll explain away both of those games as soon as you become a man and type those 9 words."
Just love the tough talk behind a freakin' keyboard
Just love the tough talk behind a freakin' keyboard
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:44 pm to tigerstros
quote:Then it should be easy for you to just type out "Tee Martin is a better college quarterback than Peyton Manning". You were so close a few posts ago . . . stay focused.
Again, I don't care who is supposed to be better, rather, what the team accomplishes under any QB.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:45 pm to puttytat
quote:
Just love the tough talk behind a freakin' keyboard
says the guy that was yelling at other people earlier in this thread for comparing quarterbacks from different eras.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:46 pm to drexyl
All these who the better QB statements seem to ignore the possibility that given the team, the coaching philosophy, and the general level of competition in college football that it is possible that a Martin led offense could be as effective as a Manning led offense, but in his own way.
Some comparable stats from 97 and 98 (from TN media guide):
1st downs: 300/234
yds rush: 1813/2536
lost fumbles: ??/??
yds pass: 3981/2250
Ints: 12/7
tot off: 5794/4786
Tot pts: 411/408
1998 Defense got 8 more interceptions and 3 more fumbles.
Now I think the most important offensive statistics are points scored, TOs, and time of possession. In terms of points, Martin was just as effective. I don't know if 98 had more or less TOs because I don't know the number of fumbles. I don't know time of possession, but we can speculate that with the change of offensive philosophy TN probably did well in this category. In addition the game was probably shortened due to increased running and fewer 1st downs. The 98 defense seemed to play better, but how much of that was helped by the change in offensive philosophy is indeterminant.
My point is that there is more than one way to skin a cat by playing to the strengths of the players and team as a whole. The change in offensive philosophy allowed a Martin led TN offense to be as effective as a Manning led offense, but in a different way. This was good coaching.
I think JR was a good QB, but I do not think he was a great QB. Great QBs rise to the occasion against their best competition and find a way to get it done. Think Vince Young. Think John Elway. Elway never played on winning record team in college; there just wasn't a lot of talent. Yet he beat #13 Ohio State on the road putting up 23 pts; he beat #2 Washington with 43 pts (a team that gave up <14 pts/game to their other opponents); and he beat #4 OK at OK with 31 pts.
JR's signature win was probably at #4 Bama by putting up 10 pts in regulation. The offense never put up serious points against quality defensive teams. Great QBs find a way and don't need the excuse that their team mates sucked (see Elway) or the coaching sucked (see Young). JR was a good QB, but he does not belong among the pantheon of great college QBs.
Some comparable stats from 97 and 98 (from TN media guide):
1st downs: 300/234
yds rush: 1813/2536
lost fumbles: ??/??
yds pass: 3981/2250
Ints: 12/7
tot off: 5794/4786
Tot pts: 411/408
1998 Defense got 8 more interceptions and 3 more fumbles.
Now I think the most important offensive statistics are points scored, TOs, and time of possession. In terms of points, Martin was just as effective. I don't know if 98 had more or less TOs because I don't know the number of fumbles. I don't know time of possession, but we can speculate that with the change of offensive philosophy TN probably did well in this category. In addition the game was probably shortened due to increased running and fewer 1st downs. The 98 defense seemed to play better, but how much of that was helped by the change in offensive philosophy is indeterminant.
My point is that there is more than one way to skin a cat by playing to the strengths of the players and team as a whole. The change in offensive philosophy allowed a Martin led TN offense to be as effective as a Manning led offense, but in a different way. This was good coaching.
I think JR was a good QB, but I do not think he was a great QB. Great QBs rise to the occasion against their best competition and find a way to get it done. Think Vince Young. Think John Elway. Elway never played on winning record team in college; there just wasn't a lot of talent. Yet he beat #13 Ohio State on the road putting up 23 pts; he beat #2 Washington with 43 pts (a team that gave up <14 pts/game to their other opponents); and he beat #4 OK at OK with 31 pts.
JR's signature win was probably at #4 Bama by putting up 10 pts in regulation. The offense never put up serious points against quality defensive teams. Great QBs find a way and don't need the excuse that their team mates sucked (see Elway) or the coaching sucked (see Young). JR was a good QB, but he does not belong among the pantheon of great college QBs.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:48 pm to TheEdge
does anyone remember what happened when saban played Flynn before JR in the. Capital one bowl?
Because Flynn had a better practice.
But iguess because JR didn't play defense that was he fault too
Because Flynn had a better practice.
But iguess because JR didn't play defense that was he fault too
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:49 pm to latiger09
"yelling at other people"
You're the one that is challenging and labeling people that happen to disagree with you....heaven forbid
You're the one that is challenging and labeling people that happen to disagree with you....heaven forbid
Posted on 8/3/08 at 1:49 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
2 of the 3 ints went Bowe and the the 3rd should have been caught by Lafell.
I tried to sit on the sidelines for a while, but this statement brought me back in. I remember two of the picks. The pass that Russell threw to Lafell deep down field. Some people criticized Lafell for not leaping high between two guys and catching it, however he got clobbered on the play and the pass was overthrown. The only youtube clip I could find was at the 2:55 mark on this video, a very short clip. LINK
The other pass was thrown high to Dwayne Bowe over the middle. It was clearly a high pass between 2 or 3 Florida defenders, and not well thrown. However, it Bowe did leap high and get his hands on it, only to deflect it in the air for an interception. Both of them probably could have done better on the play.
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