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re: Q: "Why didn't we pass more last night?"
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:29 pm to GFunk
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:29 pm to GFunk
quote:When the run stops being so successful.
When is the appropriate time to break out of this hyper risk averse offensive perspective with respect to the passing game?
This post was edited on 9/13/15 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:30 pm to Raz
quote:better than Mississippi State in all three.
Yards per carry and time of possession don't win ball games. Points win ball games.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:39 pm to ballscaster
Why not attack an opponent's weakness? Miss St and Auburn are pitiful pass defenses.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:43 pm to Thira
quote:5.7 ypc and time of possession gives our pass defense a much needed breather. Imagine them on the field for six more minutes. LSU not in great shape.
Why not attack an opponent's weakness? Miss St and Auburn are pitiful pass defenses.
That's why. And it worked. This is a GOOD thing.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:46 pm to ballscaster
You seem to be missing the entire point of why some people are griping. Our defense was on the field entirely to long in second half of the game. In all your infinite wisdom how do you correct this?
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:46 pm to ballscaster
Do you think it's healthy to run Leonard Fournette (or Williams) into 9-10 man fronts over and over when you have a "capable QB" that "enjoys the pass" and extremely talented WRs that "have a want" to contribute and bring balance the offense so that their RBs aren't taking such a pounding?
I'm for being a run-first team. We have extremely talented RBs and teams that run well are usually the toughest teams to beat (though we lost five games last year because we couldn't pass when we needed to). However, we passed for 15 YARDS in the 2nd half and couldn't run for 1st downs and ice the game when we needed to. It's not necessary.
We were one gigantic brain-fart delay of game penalty away from probably losing to a team we were up 14 on. And this year, we have way more talent than they have. We had to rely on State messing up and missing a FG. We didn't control our fate much at the end. We should have. With that said, it was game 1 and I'm happy with an SEC W in which there were a number of positives. But still, we seemed to leave our fate up to the football gods and they are not always merciful.
I'm for being a run-first team. We have extremely talented RBs and teams that run well are usually the toughest teams to beat (though we lost five games last year because we couldn't pass when we needed to). However, we passed for 15 YARDS in the 2nd half and couldn't run for 1st downs and ice the game when we needed to. It's not necessary.
We were one gigantic brain-fart delay of game penalty away from probably losing to a team we were up 14 on. And this year, we have way more talent than they have. We had to rely on State messing up and missing a FG. We didn't control our fate much at the end. We should have. With that said, it was game 1 and I'm happy with an SEC W in which there were a number of positives. But still, we seemed to leave our fate up to the football gods and they are not always merciful.
This post was edited on 9/13/15 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:50 pm to LSUNV
quote:They're griping because they need something to gripe about. That's all. I'm being happy because I'm an LSU fan and alum.
You seem to be missing the entire point of why some people are griping.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:54 pm to ballscaster
In football, as in war, you must keep the opponent off balance by doing the unexpected. In the fourth quarter State was loading up on the run. We should have done a couple of play action passes on first downs. Had we done that, we probably could have flipped the field and possibly scored.
Maybe Harris needs to be eased into a bigger role a la AJ McCarron in 2011. Maybe the coaches know best and maximized our chances at victory last night by not allowing Harris to throw the game away. But if they don't start giving him a bigger role, and move to a 60/40 run/pass split, we will win no championships this year.
It almost undid us last night. That strategy failed last night. We won, but only because our opponent could not competently manage a routine game-ending scenario. Let me remind you that State was on our 29 with 8 seconds left and a timeout. Had they dinked a seven yarder over the middle, knelt, and called timeout. We would have watched a 39 yard field goal send us to defeat at the hands of a .500 team. Bulletin: State is not very good, and they'll struggle to be bowl eligible.
Maybe Harris needs to be eased into a bigger role a la AJ McCarron in 2011. Maybe the coaches know best and maximized our chances at victory last night by not allowing Harris to throw the game away. But if they don't start giving him a bigger role, and move to a 60/40 run/pass split, we will win no championships this year.
It almost undid us last night. That strategy failed last night. We won, but only because our opponent could not competently manage a routine game-ending scenario. Let me remind you that State was on our 29 with 8 seconds left and a timeout. Had they dinked a seven yarder over the middle, knelt, and called timeout. We would have watched a 39 yard field goal send us to defeat at the hands of a .500 team. Bulletin: State is not very good, and they'll struggle to be bowl eligible.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:55 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
quote:
When the run stops being so successful.
Okay, I'm going to ignore how incredibly vague and ambiguous your answer is. I want to be civil towards you. Seriously I do. Because I'd like to understand where you're coming from and what's fueling your viewpoints.
You do realize that your response comes off as incredibly reactive and defensive minded right? What I mean by that is that you can't just throw the kid into the fire when we absolutely can't run and say, "Go win it for us kid."
I'll use a Biblical reference to help explain what I'm trying to say here man. Not sure if you pay attention to it but it should be something most folks can grasp.
Joseph's interpretation of Pharoh's dreams indicated that there would be Seven Years of Plenty ahead of Seven Years of Famine. Based on this interpretation, the Egyptians prepared ahead of time-while things were fine-to have plans in place to overcome the adversity of the Seven Years of Famine.
In the same vein, while we can lean on the run and we know it's there, it's imperative that we develop the passing game so that it is more than something passable or credible for when the running game is taken away.
If we don't then we will be hamstrung and we will not achieve our goals.
Can you see where I'm coming from? Where many other folks are coming from? If so...can you articulate a response as to why that's the wrong idea? Why that's a poor plan?
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:55 pm to ballscaster
Some
That is why I used the word some. Despite your positive outlook, which I have had on many occasions, there is a reoccurring problem that never gets addressed and if we keep looking the other way it will continue biting us in the arse
That is why I used the word some. Despite your positive outlook, which I have had on many occasions, there is a reoccurring problem that never gets addressed and if we keep looking the other way it will continue biting us in the arse
Posted on 9/13/15 at 12:56 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster
Have an upvote dickhead
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:01 pm to PortCityTiger24
Nail on the head.... 
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:05 pm to bencoleman
It just seems to me that when the defense constantly loads the box, that the smarter play would be to occasionally take advantage of that and have a pass play ready. Yards per carry could have been even better.
The W is important and we will forget about the game if things improve. But if on my way home I get a ticket, take the wrong turns and get into an accident, I can say I met my goal of getting home but there sure was a better way to get there.
The W is important and we will forget about the game if things improve. But if on my way home I get a ticket, take the wrong turns and get into an accident, I can say I met my goal of getting home but there sure was a better way to get there.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:21 pm to hawkway
It would be nice to see a little play creativity and use some misdirection once in a while.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:25 pm to ballscaster
So I went back and looked at the numbers myself, and I came up with:
16 carries, 73 yards, 4.56 ypc
So first of all, the OP's stats are wrong, and the corrected numbers dampen the argument substantially. 4.56 ypc is much worse than our game average of 5.7 ypc, and a great indicator that the running game had stopped working as well as before (and thus that making a better effort to be balanced may have helped).
It's also worth noting that there was a lot of variance in the gains we did have. Exactly half of the runs went for 3 or fewer yards, with a full quarter going for 0 or fewer yards; the other half were all for 5+ with the top quarter being for 8+. So it's not as easy as assuming that because we were running for an average of 4.5 ypa, every run is going to be for 4-5 yards and we would consistently move the chains. In fact, we were 1/4 on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter.
But more importantly, that stat is lower than our ypa passing for the game, which was 5.1 ypa. I think a half-yard difference per attempt would be a difference big enough to justify trying to pass more than once in the entire fourth quarter.
I don't know the answer to why we didn't pass more last night, but "4.56 ypc" isn't it.
16 carries, 73 yards, 4.56 ypc
So first of all, the OP's stats are wrong, and the corrected numbers dampen the argument substantially. 4.56 ypc is much worse than our game average of 5.7 ypc, and a great indicator that the running game had stopped working as well as before (and thus that making a better effort to be balanced may have helped).
It's also worth noting that there was a lot of variance in the gains we did have. Exactly half of the runs went for 3 or fewer yards, with a full quarter going for 0 or fewer yards; the other half were all for 5+ with the top quarter being for 8+. So it's not as easy as assuming that because we were running for an average of 4.5 ypa, every run is going to be for 4-5 yards and we would consistently move the chains. In fact, we were 1/4 on 3rd downs in the 4th quarter.
But more importantly, that stat is lower than our ypa passing for the game, which was 5.1 ypa. I think a half-yard difference per attempt would be a difference big enough to justify trying to pass more than once in the entire fourth quarter.
I don't know the answer to why we didn't pass more last night, but "4.56 ypc" isn't it.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:34 pm to ballscaster
It is true that statistically the run worked. But merging all runs and all offensive series into a per run stat doesn't tell the entire story. I would like to point out a couple of things that were good and bad.
The bad is that the run did not work when a first down would have put the game away late. We needed critical yards and fielded a completely predictable offense at the time when we needed ball movement. Three and out gets whitewashed in the whole game running stats. We need to face that being predictable with a vanilla run when the game is on the line isn't always good.
One thing which was really good was in the first quarter when we threw the ball on an obvious running down, while lined up in the I formation. Do you remember that play? A running down, with running personnel in the game in a running formation, and we threw a medium distance pass over the middle. The result of the play? A touchdown which was called back for a penalty. A touchdown. The coaches need to notice this success and be ready to do that again. It was the trickiest thing we did all night and it isn't really that tricky.
Finally, the short and medium passing game can be devastating. We did a bit of it with pretty good success early and then abandoned it. Don't abandon it. It also worked.
The bad is that the run did not work when a first down would have put the game away late. We needed critical yards and fielded a completely predictable offense at the time when we needed ball movement. Three and out gets whitewashed in the whole game running stats. We need to face that being predictable with a vanilla run when the game is on the line isn't always good.
One thing which was really good was in the first quarter when we threw the ball on an obvious running down, while lined up in the I formation. Do you remember that play? A running down, with running personnel in the game in a running formation, and we threw a medium distance pass over the middle. The result of the play? A touchdown which was called back for a penalty. A touchdown. The coaches need to notice this success and be ready to do that again. It was the trickiest thing we did all night and it isn't really that tricky.
Finally, the short and medium passing game can be devastating. We did a bit of it with pretty good success early and then abandoned it. Don't abandon it. It also worked.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:40 pm to ballscaster
quote:Mostly because 5.7 ypa > 4.7 ypa, and keep the ball outta Dak's hands.
"Why didn't we pass more last night?
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:45 pm to Mayhawman
We didn't average 5.7. Scroll up a few posts.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 1:51 pm to GFunk
We should have passed more downfield.
We nearly lost the game in the second half because we couldn't finish drives. We couldn't finish drives bc there was no balance and penalties.
I like wins like everyone else but that was a terrible win.
We nearly lost the game in the second half because we couldn't finish drives. We couldn't finish drives bc there was no balance and penalties.
I like wins like everyone else but that was a terrible win.
Posted on 9/13/15 at 2:05 pm to GFunk
quote:
We didn't average 5.7. Scroll up a few posts
I quote straight from box score, not some agenda extrapolated shite.
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