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re: Reason Coleman Pitched
Posted on 4/4/09 at 9:22 am to King Joey
Posted on 4/4/09 at 9:22 am to King Joey
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how would such a successful and experienced coach not get it right?
I don't know. How does a successful football coach try to call a timeout during a change of possession when the clock is already stopped?
I've not seen any quotes from Mainieri about the decision. I don't know his thought process. I just know what I've seen from watching tons of baseball games over the years. And yes, I pay attention to such things in a game.
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Posted on 4/4/09 at 9:22 am to JustSmokin
I was commenting on the remark about PM not having faith in the team, which I think is just a ludicrious remark.
As far as pulling Coleman for Nicholson, I don't understand the decision. I believe he pulled LC because of his pitch count, but replacing him with JN was not something I comprehended. Of all the pitchers to replace LC with he would not have been my choice because he gives up a lot of hits and of course GA is one on the best hitting teams in the nation. And that's my two cents worth.
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If UGA gets some runs, then bring him in. I mean, if we're so worried about UGA coming from behind, what in the hell are we doing pulling Coleman for Nicholson in the 9th?
It's ok to disagree with the coach and still like him and think he's a good coach. They all make mistakes.
As far as pulling Coleman for Nicholson, I don't understand the decision. I believe he pulled LC because of his pitch count, but replacing him with JN was not something I comprehended. Of all the pitchers to replace LC with he would not have been my choice because he gives up a lot of hits and of course GA is one on the best hitting teams in the nation. And that's my two cents worth.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 9:30 am to JustSmokin
quote:Could be several reasons. A player could be injured and have to come out of the game if no timeout is called. The coach may want the extra time to discuss playcalling or personnel with his assistants. The trainers may be taping someone up to put him back in the game and need a couple of more seconds. Or it could be a mental lapse in the heat of a split second situation.
How does a successful football coach try to call a timeout during a change of possession when the clock is already stopped?
What kind of split second decision making pressures are on a coach deciding to change pitchers after the 6th inning? I mean, if it was a case of leaving a pitcher in I could see a mental lapse in not making the decision quickly enough. But to be sitting there while the team is at bat in the top of the 7th, and then "suddenly" have a mental lapse where he panics and puts in his ace when there is absolutely no possible reason to do it? Is that really how you think it went down?
quote:And you know that there's never a situation where a top pitcher should be called upon to protect a lead in the 7th inning?
I just know what I've seen from watching tons of baseball games over the years.
I guess what I'm asking is this: the suggestion that a coach like Mainieri would blow a decision that any part-time Little League coach would never consider getting wrong seems fairly far-fetched to me; how far-fetched does it seem to you that there might be factors involved in the particular situation tonight that y'all either did not know about or did not appreciate that actually made putting Coleman in then the right decision?
Posted on 4/4/09 at 9:34 am to IM4LSU2
Durning the game they were saying that Coach Mainieri could pitch Coleman one or two innings and still pitch Coleman on Sunday.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:23 am to LSUfan1950
The answer is very simple. Coach had a senior moment. No other explanation is rational.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 10:54 am to JustSmokin
College coaches have to experiment with their pitching staffs early in the season to find out what they can do and to give them experience in certain situations.
This is not professional baseball.
This is not professional baseball.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:08 am to King Joey
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Unless he had turned it over to the bullpen, they gave up 5 runs in 2 outs, and then Coleman has to go the last 2 1/3 innings and gives up another 3 runs and we lose the game in extra innings. Then people would be saying, "why didn't we go to Coleman to secure the win? No way Coleman would have given up EIGHT runs!"
KingJoey,
You are usually a good poster, but that doesn't make any sense. We are talking about the use of Coleman...not the pitching changes that give us the least risk of losing. Obviously, pitching Coleman in any situation gives us the best chance of winning that single game.
But, in a series, you have to allow other pitchers to pitch. Preserving pitching is a real issue in baseball.
And, if you can find a better spot to throw your non-stud pitchers than with an 8 run lead, I'd love to hear it.
Also, he pulled Coleman in the 9th with 1 out. Ask yourself why. When you come up with that reason, you'll understand why I believe he shouldn't have pitched in the 7th.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:09 am to Bad Cat
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College coaches have to experiment with their pitching staffs early in the season to find out what they can do and to give them experience in certain situations.
We're halfway into the season.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:14 am to IM4LSU2
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As far as pulling Coleman for Nicholson, I don't understand the decision. I believe he pulled LC because of his pitch count, but replacing him with JN was not something I comprehended. Of all the pitchers to replace LC with he would not have been my choice because he gives up a lot of hits and of course GA is one on the best hitting teams in the nation. And that's my two cents worth.
Pitching Nicholson makes sense in that situation because you have a 7 run lead. So, if you ask your worst pitcher to get the last 2 outs so as to have a fresh bullpen for the final 2 games. But, that logic contradicts the decision to pitch Coleman in the first place. That's what makes it so strange.
Posted on 4/4/09 at 11:32 am to moneyg
Mongeyg, do you think Coleman will start on Sunday?
Posted on 4/4/09 at 12:19 pm to JustSmokin
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t was a bonehead decision no matter the outcome this weekend. All coaches have these brainfarts. Hope it doesn't bite us today or tomorrow.
frick, Mr. Laval, let it go already.
Posted on 4/5/09 at 10:19 am to LSUfan1950
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Mongeyg, do you think Coleman will start on Sunday?
Yes
Posted on 4/5/09 at 10:33 am to moneyg
Posted on 4/5/09 at 10:55 am to moneyg
Mongeyg, do you think Coleman will start on Sunday?
Yes
Moneyg, I am 58 years old and I have been a round to see how very good coaches work their Bullpen. You should never second guess a Coach like Coach Mainieri. I also hate it when people attack Coach Miles who say's they are LSU Fans. Just look at Coach Miles record, who else has numbers like that? Even Coach Satan does not have as good of a Win/Lost record as Coach Miles has here at LSU.
Now time to time I might give my opinion about something and it might be out in Left field (ask Egg), but everybody has has an opinion. This is why I never attack a person on the Rant. A lot of men and women die for that Freedom (Free Speech).
Yes
Moneyg, I am 58 years old and I have been a round to see how very good coaches work their Bullpen. You should never second guess a Coach like Coach Mainieri. I also hate it when people attack Coach Miles who say's they are LSU Fans. Just look at Coach Miles record, who else has numbers like that? Even Coach Satan does not have as good of a Win/Lost record as Coach Miles has here at LSU.
Now time to time I might give my opinion about something and it might be out in Left field (ask Egg), but everybody has has an opinion. This is why I never attack a person on the Rant. A lot of men and women die for that Freedom (Free Speech).
Posted on 4/5/09 at 11:22 am to LSUfan1950
There is no method to the madness in this situation, unless there is some information health or roster wise that would affect Coleman starting on Sat.
I think moneyg is dead on, and I said the same Fri. night after the game. Coach had his mind made up on pitching, and the situation played little part in his decision.
He is now in a must win and game must be played situation, or it will have blown up in his face. This series may have little to do with final outcomes, but I'm thinking he plays it differently next time.
I think moneyg is dead on, and I said the same Fri. night after the game. Coach had his mind made up on pitching, and the situation played little part in his decision.
He is now in a must win and game must be played situation, or it will have blown up in his face. This series may have little to do with final outcomes, but I'm thinking he plays it differently next time.
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