- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Thank You Gerry D
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:31 pm to Carlos
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:31 pm to Carlos
quote:Only to idiots who know nothing about football, or are more interested in bashing people than actually thinking. Rational, sane posters on this board have been showing appreciation for what DiNardo did (as well as appreciation for what the administration did in firing him) since at least 2003.
I am so sick of hearing about this, and it's somewhat of a new phenomenon since Saban went to Alabama. Before that, Gerry was a pariah.
quote:That is absolutely absurd. If you were actually around the LSU program at that time, then you are flat out lying. The LSU football program in '95, '96, '97 and even into '98 was a completely different animal than it was the years before. Attendance was up dramatically, having recovered from the plummet it took during the six straight years of losing that preceded DiNardo. The excitement surrounding the program and the attitude of winning on the field were complete turnarounds from before his arrival. What Saban did from 2000-2003 was the complete form of the job DiNardo started and eventually failed at from 1995-1999. And anyone who witnessed the program at that time and refuses to admit this is simply lying because they want to bash someone for whatever reason suits their damaged psyche.
I can't think of a major thing he did to truly change the culture of the program, the way Saban did.
quote:And only someone with a completely fricked up mental disorder would take a thread like this, a comparative discussion of DiNardo and Hallman, and mistake it for a comparative discussion of DiNardo and Saban. How fricked in the head are you that you confused Hallman and Saban?
Here's an illustration of the difference between the DiNardo era, when we were happy to beat Kentucky, and the Saban era, where we were national champs.
Wow. Carlos can't tell the difference between Curley Hallman and Nick Saban. That's pretty sad.
quote:Idiot.
and the morale was as low as it was at any time during the Hallman or Archer years.
quote:About 10,000 more of us were there per game than were there during any of Hallman's seasons. That is a difference in morale, liar.
Anyone who disagrees was not there the night the players quit on Gerry and his retard coaching staff; losing by two touchdowns to Houston in front of a crowd of about 40,000 for our 8th straight loss of the season.
ETA: Calling him a liar was way out of line. It was wrong and I shouldn't have done it. Carlos, I am sorry.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 1:18 am
0
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:34 pm to tduecen
Jordy before the weight loss and sun tan
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:40 pm to tduecen
Gerry D. left no talent at LSU.
Hal Hunter did. He took the same team Gerry couldn't win with, beat the #11th. ranked team in the nation. One that was going to the SECCG. Oh and beat them by 25 pts. Yea, the cupboard was bare......
Hal Hunter did. He took the same team Gerry couldn't win with, beat the #11th. ranked team in the nation. One that was going to the SECCG. Oh and beat them by 25 pts. Yea, the cupboard was bare......
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:49 pm to Carlos
quote:
I am so sick of hearing about this, and it's somewhat of a new phenomenon since Saban went to Alabama. Before that, Gerry was a pariah.
This is completely true and absolutely hilarious.
Posted on 4/6/09 at 10:56 pm to King Joey
There was actually talk of him for the Cowboys job opening in 97! Does anyone not remember that? 
Posted on 4/7/09 at 3:49 am to tduecen
Gerry got LSU the win against UF(97) on the night after my moms funeral. She was a big LSU fan since graduating in the 40's. Our family started watching that game with heavy hearts,but in the end everyone in the house was hugging,crying,laughing,high-fiving and we all knew she had something to do with that GREAT LSU win.
FWIW: Gerry's hard head got him fired and Mile's open mind will bring us wins,IMHO.
FWIW: Gerry's hard head got him fired and Mile's open mind will bring us wins,IMHO.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 4:28 am to lsusince60
blah whole point of this thread was to not compare Gerry to Hallman or Gerry to Saban...
I remember going to LSU/AU game when Howard threw 5 INTS... I remember the day the barn burned.
Gerry did some great things for LSU, Gerry made his mistakes and it cost him his job. Saban came in and did alot of things better than Gerry and Les has come in and kept the ball rolling for the most part.
After Hallman things were pretty low at LSU, Gerry did bring back the magic. Some personal decision cost him his job but that only was a precursor for Saban arriving. Saban could not have done what he did had Gerry not been there before. Just like Les could not have done what he has had Saban not been there.
Any logical LSU fan and anyone who has been a fan longer than the past 10 years can tell you Gerry did some good for LSU. If you believe LSU football began when Saban arrived then I feel sorry for you cause you missed the magic. Being in Tiger Stadium in 97 watching LSU beat #1 Florida when no one gave us a chance was something I will never forget.
Watching that game on tape again made me realize Gerry D did some good for LSU and I wanted to give him his due props.
I remember going to LSU/AU game when Howard threw 5 INTS... I remember the day the barn burned.
Gerry did some great things for LSU, Gerry made his mistakes and it cost him his job. Saban came in and did alot of things better than Gerry and Les has come in and kept the ball rolling for the most part.
After Hallman things were pretty low at LSU, Gerry did bring back the magic. Some personal decision cost him his job but that only was a precursor for Saban arriving. Saban could not have done what he did had Gerry not been there before. Just like Les could not have done what he has had Saban not been there.
Any logical LSU fan and anyone who has been a fan longer than the past 10 years can tell you Gerry did some good for LSU. If you believe LSU football began when Saban arrived then I feel sorry for you cause you missed the magic. Being in Tiger Stadium in 97 watching LSU beat #1 Florida when no one gave us a chance was something I will never forget.
Watching that game on tape again made me realize Gerry D did some good for LSU and I wanted to give him his due props.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 5:45 am to tduecen
The "Bring Back the Magic" game was the AU game in 95 at home.Gerry got the fans involved and believing (or wanting to believe) LSU could win again. With a highly rated AU coming in,a packed house the Tigers played hard and dominated the game for the most part with mistakes negating some long drives keeping it very close. That one and 03 UGA we're the most intense games I have been. When LSU intercepted AU to end the game I new Tiger football was going to be special again and it was for a time, and is now championship caliber.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 5:50 am to lsusince60
Yeah I know 97 Florida game wasn't the "magic" game I was just speaking in reference to what he wanted to do at LSU.
To me that game will stand out as long as I live, I still remember being 16 and running onto the field and then being punished for leaving my dad in stands and making him wait for me.
To me that game will stand out as long as I live, I still remember being 16 and running onto the field and then being punished for leaving my dad in stands and making him wait for me.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:01 am to tduecen
Sounds like your Dad has priority issues.
I didn't see the UF game live but felt the "Magic",can imagine what it was like. Your thread is legit and for us Tiger fans that can remember the very bad times before Coach D, he does indeed deserve his due. That first Bowl game after so many years of being out half way though the season was like a NCG...Maybe not, but it was goooood!
I didn't see the UF game live but felt the "Magic",can imagine what it was like. Your thread is legit and for us Tiger fans that can remember the very bad times before Coach D, he does indeed deserve his due. That first Bowl game after so many years of being out half way though the season was like a NCG...Maybe not, but it was goooood!
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:17 am to tduecen
quote:
tduecen
didn't think anyone noticed my post
good catch.
you graduate from CLA?
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:20 am to TheDoc
Nah but I know alot of the kids from there and a few of older teachers. I met Clayton playing on local rec league's and stuff like that.
We stayed social through freshmen year of college after that I never had a class with him again.
We were never buddy buddy but I knew him and he knew me and we would talk football or some other random chit chat when we saw each other.
We stayed social through freshmen year of college after that I never had a class with him again.
We were never buddy buddy but I knew him and he knew me and we would talk football or some other random chit chat when we saw each other.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 6:23 am
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:25 am to Carlos
quote:
And please don't mention Michael Clayton in this thread.
All I said was dinardo was recruiting clayton when he was like 15.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:31 am to TheDoc
Just like today, they were sending out I guess you can say "flyers" to all the kids who you could tell had a chance. Maybe recruiting isn't the right word, maybe "talking" to Clayton and other youths about how when it came time to go to college to consider LSU. I know Dinardo went to some high schools that produced local talent and watched kids play etc, he came to my high school once to talk to head coaches about another boy they were looking at. Sure at CLA where some of the more "talented" boys were practicing with varsity players they were talked too.
I know talk was abound among us as youth cause Clayton was good, better than any of us. We use to say all time he needed to go there.
I know talk was abound among us as youth cause Clayton was good, better than any of us. We use to say all time he needed to go there.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 6:40 am to King Joey
quote:
Talent wise? Yes. Overall? No. Hallman took over a program that was 2 years removed from an SEC Championship. DiNardo took over a program 6 years removed from a winning season. Attendance was down more than it had been in 15 years, percent of seating capacity was the lowest it had been in decades, the program was not just losing but mired in a losing mentality; DiNardo inherited all of that. Hallman didn't. Hallman inherited a program that had been devasted by two bad seasons at the hands of a terrible program manager and bad recruiter. The foundation was there to restore the talent and correct the (at the time) brief aberration. In four years, he failed utterly at that, and left an even more desperate situation for his replacement.
You have no idea how badly Archer obliterated the program do you? You just gave the argument why Hallman walked into a more difficult situation. As you state expectations on Hallman were that it was a minor diversion from normal and that the ship should be righted immediately. It was not and any support he had melted away quickly.
In terms of NFL draft talent, his first recruiting class was not all that good (not unusual). His 2nd and 3rd classes were decent and his 4th collapsed with the sharks circling. He really inherited a bad situation, but you are correct that Hallman was not up to that task and, I don't know how many times I have to say it, his firing was justified.
However, I will also repeat that DiNardo could not have won as many games as he did early without the basic foundation of talent that Curley put there. Unless DiNardo played a majority of freshman and walkons those first years, he was playing with a majority of Hallman's guys. This is just basic common sense.
As an aside, I want to state that Archer had the unfortunate timing of being the guy in charge when Prop 48 was first enacted. It's not his fault that LA's educational system was so lax. Consider the number of guys that have trouble today qualifying. Imagine what it was like the first time there were these type of qualifications with consequences. Archer failed as a program manager to have an adequate strategy for dealing with it. While not the only reason, it contributed to seriously bad relations with the high schools that Hallman had to deal with.
quote:
DiNardo started from significantly less than scratch. He had a moribund program that couldn't put 70,000 people in an 80,000 seat stadium. Five years later he left Saban a program that could put 90,000 people in a 92,000 seat stadium.
If the losing record would have continued, do you really think that the attendance would have stayed up? Do you think it was a mistake to fire DiNardo? I mean the difference in ticket sales wouldn't have paid for the extra salary would it? According to your point of view it seems that failure to win is not part of the equation.
quote:
No, he deserves blame for taking over a strong program that had stumbled and turning it into a has-been program that had fallen apart. His 4 year record was worse than Archer's record the two years before he took over. That means he made the program WORSE than it was before he took over, and generated four more years of losing in the process.
You are just wrong about Hallman inheriting a strong program and your argument about winning percentages would hold more weight if Archer weren't the beneficiary of the strongest 3 yr recruiting effort until the arrival of Saban. Those classes weren't all gone when Archer started losing, but they were when Curley arrived.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 9:53 am to tduecen
quote:
If you believe LSU football began when Saban arrived then I feel sorry for you cause you missed the magic.
I didn't miss the Magic. I waited twenty years for an outright SEC Championship and fifty years to win another National Championship.
Gerry coined the phrase but Saban brought back the Magic.
Any logical LSU fan who has been following the sport for more than twenty years realizes that.
Saban didn't make LSU football but he brought it all the way back from its dormancy.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 11:01 am to ITtigah
quote:He also was very instrumental in starting the Bayou Bash!!!!!
Let's not forget....It was Gerry that brought the white jerseys home to Tiger Stadium
Posted on 4/7/09 at 11:50 am to olla tiger
Miles won with Saban's talent, Saban won with Dinardo's talent, Dinardo won with Hallman's talent, Hallman lost with Archer's talent.
I don't care who got the guys here. Who did something with them?
I don't care who got the guys here. Who did something with them?
Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:26 pm to jtweezy
Dinardo's got my attention in the '97 Auburn and UF games. Could have won the Auburn game, which was not expected. The UF game was mind blowing. We all sat there at halftime joking and knowing UF would come back. Zing!!
I thought Dinardo was a great coach at that point only to watch him make some of the dumbest game time decisions and mistakes I have ever seen in his later games. I remember screaming 'idoit, what the hell are you doing' at the TV set during several games. All I can figure is the guy must have suffered some sort of brain damage later in his career. Some of his later play calls and clock management were real retarded. I remember talking with people at work on Mondays about the stupid calls lost the game.
Posted on 4/7/09 at 1:36 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:Basic common sense says that the 100% Hallman team went 4-7, the slightly DiNardo team went 7-4-1, and the significantly more DiNardo teams went 10-2 and then 9-3. Was Hallman improving the talent from '95 to '97, or was DiNardo? If you are going to attribute the success of '97 to the few Hallman players playing key roles then, then how can you dismiss the contributions of DiNardo's true freshmen playing QB, RB and DT on the '95 team? Either a few key players are a significant difference, or they aren't. If they are, then DiNardo significantly improved the talent with his few key guys in '95. If they aren't, then DiNardo significantly improved the talent by '97 when only a few key Hallman guys were left and the team was significantly better.
However, I will also repeat that DiNardo could not have won as many games as he did early without the basic foundation of talent that Curley put there. Unless DiNardo played a majority of freshman and walkons those first years, he was playing with a majority of Hallman's guys. This is just basic common sense.
quote:Of course not. That's the point. He put a stop to the losing seasons, and brought the attendance back up. Then Saban came in and avoided the total relapse by bringing the winning seasons back again. Then he completed the job DiNardo could never do and brought us back past "Bringing Back the Magic" and built the program to a height it had never seen (or at least not in a half century or so). The whole point is that DiNardo stopped the losing seasons; Hallman didn't.
If the losing record would have continued, do you really think that the attendance would have stayed up?
quote:Of course not. I've said it over and over. Why do you keep acting like I have ever suggested anything other than he absolutely should have been fired? Why? I've never said anything remotely resembling that, and have specifically stated that he should be fired. Why would you ask that question? What possible reason could there be? What part of what I said did you misread as "he should not have been fired?"
Do you think it was a mistake to fire DiNardo?
quote:Failure to win is not a "part of the equation"; it IS the equation. THAT is the difference between Hallman and DiNardo, and why DiNardo walked into a far worse situation than Hallman did and did a light years better job handling it. Hallman took a program that hadn't had a winning season in two years, and turned it into a program that hadn't had a winning season in 6 years. DiNardo took a program that hadn't had a winning season in 6 years and gave it three winning seasons in a row. If you can't grasp that one situation is worse than the other, and that one result is better than the other, then you and I have completely different priorities in football.
According to your point of view it seems that failure to win is not part of the equation.
quote:I didn't say he took over a strong program, I said he took over a strong program that had stumbled. But look at that program: two SEC Championships in the last 5 years, averaged over 70,000 attendance for 13 years in a row, had not won fewer than 3 games in over 45 years. And what did he turn over to his successor: 6 straight losing seasons, a 2-9 season that was (and still is) the worst in the modern history of the program, attendance that hadn't averaged 70,000 in four years. The talent differential from 1990 to 1994 was not significant enough to outweigh the damage to the program those four more years of crap had inflicted.
You are just wrong about Hallman inheriting a strong program
quote:No, it would be just as strong. Hallman's fourth season -- after FOUR YEARS of his "talent improvement" -- was a 4-7 record. That's worse than the record Archer compiled in his fourth year, or his last two years combined. The increase in talent was outweighed by his pisspoor coaching, leaving the program weaker after having him there than it was before.
your argument about winning percentages would hold more weight if Archer weren't the beneficiary of the strongest 3 yr recruiting effort until the arrival of Saban. Those classes weren't all gone when Archer started losing, but they were when Curley arrived.
Page 4 of 5
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News