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re: Toliver to Miles: Thanks, bud...or not?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:01 pm to Jaketigger
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:01 pm to Jaketigger
To be fair, the other posted said "when he was supposed to be a leader". That incident was after Early's freshman season, Toliver's incident happened before the Spring of his senior year...when you would expect guys to get their stuff together and be focused.
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:33 pm to koolrat12
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I think the pros could see what I have said about him since the first season he was at LSU. Poor routes, runs the incorrect routes - caused several interceptions blamed on the QB, and lined up incorrectly more times than most everyone else. And dropped too many passes. Simply not good enough for the pros. 100% Toliver.
I agree with this!
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:06 am to 1984Tiger
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G)0% Miles, 0% Toliver, 100% therocketscientist for posing such a stupid question
Its simple freakin questin, arsehole. I gave you options to choose from. If you are so simple-minded to think that more than one factor cannot attribute to an outcome, then that is your problem, but the question is stupid how?
Go ahead, and give me one of the typical and increasingly popular brain dead answers like "yeah but", or "i just feel" or " i just think" or as you already have, a diversionary dis of my handle.
So, tell me, with something of substance, why is this a stupid question ? Seriously, give some real thought out basis for your assertion.
This post was edited on 5/2/11 at 8:07 am
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:40 am to therocketscientist
shitty QB play and coaching didn't stop that kid from GT Calvin Johnson....
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:53 am to ironsides
nobody said TT had that kind of talent. johnson is in the PP7 category of talent. but if you have 3rd or 4th round talent, then shitty qb play and coaching pushes you down to 6th or later. TT is totally responsible for being UNDRAFTED but the coaches and qb play are responsible for him being so far away from his potential.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:56 am to Larry Hollins
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TT is totally responsible for being UNDRAFTED but the coaches and qb play are responsible for him being so far away from his potential.
this does not compute.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:09 am to therocketscientist
Seems like this is essentially his own fault, if lacking something the scouts wanted is a "fault". But if he is truly good enough, he will make a team as a free agent. I wish him all the luck in the world, but I don't think this is really the coach's fault, unless the coach bad mouthed his attitude or something. Do you have any reason to think that something like that happened?
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:11 am to therocketscientist
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therocketscientist
You always have the most idiotic threads.
It's 20% system, 80% Toliver. He's had run-ins with the cops and booze and he didn't perform too well at the combine. He didn't wow anyone at all, and his off the field issues held him back further. If he had a clean off the field record, he'd probably have gone in the 4th-7th.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:15 am to ironsides
quote:mother fricking this. CJ had Reggie fricking Ball as a QB who had a sub 50% completion % for his career. Possibly the worst 4 year starter in the history of college football and CJ still got recognized and drafted early.
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Toliver to Miles: Thanks, bud...or not?
shitty QB play and coaching didn't stop that kid from GT Calvin Johnson....
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:21 am to Hulkklogan
my point is that it is the coaches job to develop and train players. TT DIDN'T GET THAT. sheppard benefitted greatly from TOP NOTCH COACHING. ridley benefitted greatly from being in the proper system (clm downhill running attack).
the coaches, the system, nor the qb helped TT. combine that with TT not helping himself enough and you spell UNDRAFTED.
the coaches, the system, nor the qb helped TT. combine that with TT not helping himself enough and you spell UNDRAFTED.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:22 am to Hulkklogan
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He's had run-ins with the cops and booze
was there anything more than the 1 incident?
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:22 am to Larry Hollins
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my point is that it is the coaches job to develop and train players. TT DIDN'T GET THAT. sheppard benefitted greatly from TOP NOTCH COACHING. ridley benefitted greatly from being in the proper system (clm downhill running attack).
the coaches, the system, nor the qb helped TT. combine that with TT not helping himself enough and you spell UNDRAFTED.
There may be some truth to this. Once Billy Gonzales came in, TT got notably better. The thing is it could have to do with his play time and experience instead of coaching. No real way of knowing.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:23 am to Hulkklogan
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You always have the most idiotic threads.
And you proceeded to answer the question and give it credibility with a 20%/80% system/TT attribution allocation...freakin hilarious of you
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:27 am to Hulkklogan
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Once Billy Gonzales came in, TT got notably better.
in what way? he had more catches and yds as the number 2 guy in 09.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:28 am to ATLTiger
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in what way? he had more catches and yds as the number 2 guy in 09.
In his route running and hands.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:29 am to therocketscientist
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And you proceeded to answer the question and give it credibility with a 20%/80% system/TT attribution allocation...freakin hilarious of you
What's so hilarious about it? It's mostly TT. But bad QB play and a system where we run first will hinder a WR's numbers and progress to a degree.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:41 am to Hulkklogan
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In his route running and hands.
I didn't see it. TT's hands weren't really bad at all in 09, at least until the Cap One Bowl, when he couldn't catch a cold in the 1st half (he did have a big catch to set up a TD). hell, he bailed JJ out a ton in 09.
can't really say I saw much difference good or bad in '10, I just think that in '10 he had even worse passes to work with and less opportunities.
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:41 am to therocketscientist
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TT is totally responsible for being UNDRAFTED but the coaches and qb play are responsible for him being so far away from his potential.
this does not compute.
sure it does...
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:43 am to Larry Hollins
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my point is that it is the coaches job to develop and train players. TT DIDN'T GET THAT
in your opinion, that is...
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:50 am to Hulkklogan
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In his route running
False.
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