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re: Top 5 finishes 1st 3yrs: 3; Top 5 finishes next 7yrs: 1
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:54 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:54 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
Many of us are willing to take that shot at this point.
Considering the odds, it shouldn't surprise you that many understand the likelihood of replicating what Miles did is too low to want to take that shot at this point. Regardless of the arguments, it's a fact that Miles' bad seasons have yielded 8-9 wins (not acceptable as the norm, but above average among other coaches' bad seasons), and his great seasons have yielded SEC and National CG appearances and wins.
Bottom line, I believe that in the 5 years following Miles' tenure here, LSU will have gone through or currently be on its second coach after him, which means below average performance over that period. It's not being a "Miles loving sunshine pumper" to want to avoid that until it's clear that Miles remaining the coach is worse than the alternative.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 6:55 pm
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:56 pm to GRTiger
quote:never told anyone on here "frick you"
3. Why do you go straight to "frick you pumper, you love mediocre football" when someone realizes the season sucked, that they are worried about QB play, but they recognize improvement, recognize the competition in the division was unprecedented this year, and that the experience of this year can lead to higher quality football next year, even with Miles.
to the rest of your comment.....b/c I don't have confidence in Miles, due largely in part to the facts that I produced in the OP
quote:This doesn't upset me. I've many times referenced everyone's ability to have their own opinion. The fact that you think the coaching ability is there is your opnion....just like mine differs.
4. Why does it upset you when someone mentions Miles full tenure at LSU and recognizes that the coaching ability is there?
Instead of making a meaningless sarcastic post like your first, why not argue against the facts provided or not respond?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:59 pm to Choctaw
quote:Bowden & Paterno won a shite ton of games too.....look how they left their respective programs
When Miles breaks Charlie Macs win record in 3-4 years I'll see what new numbers you use to validate your hatred
way to contribute to the thread at hand.....again
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:59 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Good post, another way to look at it.
Fact is we are in that 2nd tier, not in that first tier we were in from 2003 to 2007
Fact is we are in that 2nd tier, not in that first tier we were in from 2003 to 2007
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:00 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Great post. I love Les. But there's no denying we're headed in the wrong direction. Unfortunately, you don't fire coaches until you arrive at the wrong destination. Still have hope for big turnaround next year but this post plus seeing the effect on QB's at LSU over the last 10 years speaks volumes.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:01 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
LSU has won the west ONCE last 7 years, let that sink in pumpers
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:03 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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doesn't piss me off....but this has been discussed to death.
So has every other topic and sub-topic related to Saban, Miles, the decline, potential replacements, etc....
And you decided to start another one. Try posting less. Take the extra time and go frick yourself.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:04 pm to GRTiger
quote:I don't think you realize how bad the program would have to get for this statement to come to fruition.
until it's clear that Miles remaining the coach is worse than the alternative
Regardless, my biggest fear (& reason why I'm not 100% sold on Miles leaving) is the lack of confidence in the person/people responsible for hiring his replacement.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:07 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
Bowden & Paterno won a shite ton of games too.....look how they left their respective programs way to contribute to the thread at hand.....again
When Miles wins less than 10 games for 6 straight years in a conference like the ACC, gets a bunch of wins vacated for playing ineligible players, or gets busted for covering for a serial pedophile than I'll be all aboard the Fire Miles train.
Thanks for contributing
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:10 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
heaven forbid one should mention who most of the players from those first 3 seasons also played for
(surely that's just a coincidence)
Sooo, by this logic, is on field coaching actually worth anything?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:11 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:
n't think you realize how bad the program would have to get for this statement to come to fruition.
Well, yea. That's kind of my point.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:11 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
quote:but the response to that (& somewhat valid) is that Saban is on a historical run (they have won 4 out of those 7)
LSU has won the west ONCE last 7 years, let that sink in pumpers
But the fact that other SEC (west included) teams are succeeding during that time diminishes the "but we can't expect to cmpete with Saban" pumper narrative
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:12 pm to OceanMan
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Sooo, by this logic, is on field coaching actually worth anything?
Hmmm... Which answer reflects more poorly on Les... Let's go with that one!
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:13 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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So 10 years is not a long enough sample size?
Got it.
I think most would disagree with you on that one.
The only way to not decline from winning a championship is to keep winning championships, which only one team can do.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:13 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
Every year the West is won by one of 3 teams...and LSU one of them
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:14 pm to GRTiger
quote:so you really want to wait until that happens????
Well, yea. That's kind of my point
that's what you said
I just can't accept being afraid to succeed more
There are many scenarios where a coaching move backfired or was a God send
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:15 pm to Choctaw
quote:
When Miles breaks Charlie Macs win record in 3-4 years
And this means what??? In this day and time?????
You are really out there with this one............
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:18 pm to dukke v
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And this means what??? In this day and time?????
You mean the toughest era in SEC history? That day and time?
The lengths some of you will go to discredit his accomplishments is astonishing
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:21 pm to Choctaw
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The lengths some of you will go to discredit his accomplishments is astonishing
I think he has done great things....
BUT....The lengths YOU go to to give him more credit he deserves is disturbing... You NEVER say ANYTHING negative even though you should is pathetic....
Posted on 12/9/14 at 7:23 pm to Choctaw
quote:what he means is 11 games versus maybe 14 or even 15 in a season (with at least 4 cupcakes per season)
You mean the toughest era in SEC history? That day and time?
not that hard to comprehend
quote:FIFY
The lengths some of you will go to inflate his accomplishments is astonishing
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