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re: ULL and name history....
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:49 pm to DMZ
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:49 pm to DMZ
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Florida, Texas, Ohio State are all better in the academics department than LSU. My point is Lousisiana and Mississippi have some of the worst school success rates in the country.
And no, you're "point" directly tied the large enrollment at LSU to the fact that it must be easy to get into.
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:51 pm to NaturalBeam
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Man, I guess Florida, Ohio St., Texas, etc. must be the easiest schools in the country!
All are in states with much larger populations, and a lot more highly qualified students.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:51 pm to DMZ
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The difference between LSU and UL is the football team.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:52 pm to CWS91
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funny but when i looked at the US News & World Report article ranking the top engineering schools it ranked LSU and LA Tech ahead of ULL.... try again
Whatever man, if you would have read the post after that one I listed the princeton review results for 2008. Did you even go to LSU? I guess you also played sports in college too...
Posted on 4/22/09 at 8:57 pm to HeartOfGeauxld
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If ULL wants to rename themselves "The University of Louisiana", then they should be allowed to do so.
And if ULM wanted to do so, why shouldn't they also? The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. ULL is not more entitled to adopt the name than ULM or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially ULL cannot use UL or University of Louisiana without the addition of "Lafayette."
Does the same point apply to LSU? Not really. LSU as a single campus in Baton Rouge preexisted the Louisiana State University System. It is the primary or main campus of the Louisiana State University System. It has always had the designation as Louisiana State University or LSU since the change (in 1870) from its original name when founded as a military school. It became Louisiana State University and A&M College when the Louisiana A&M, previously located in New Orleans was merged into LSU in Baton Rouge (1877). In short, LSU or Louisiana State University are the generally used names for Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College. Those who think that LSU in Baton Rouge is actually LSU-Baton Rouge are mistaken. LSU has never been officially known as Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge. It has never had that name and still does not.
ULL wants to use the UL label because of perceived prestige and marketing. And presumably for leverage with the legislature in funding requests. Unfortunately for ULL, it doesn't have the legal right or authority to do use UL or "Louisiana."
With respect to other university systems, as in University of North Carolina, University of Alabama, Arkansas, etc., those schools known as the University of ____, like UNC, are generally the oldest and original campuses of those systems, like LSU is within the LSU system. They aren't analogous to ULL whose attempt to use "Louisiana" is a completely artificial effort, not a natural outgrowth of the institution's history and identity.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:05 pm to hendersonshands
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According to Baton Rouge’s Morning Advocate, LSU Chancellor James H. Wharton said he is concerned that “the new name will result in the university’s expansion” (April 28, 1984).
That guy was my Chem professor freshman year. I think he became chancellor emeritus because he was fooling around with female students.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:05 pm to tigerinridgeland
I don't really care what ULL calls themselves, but I do find it humorous.
And no, ULL doesn't have a better engineering program than LSU or Tech. Both are pretty damn good.
And no, ULL doesn't have a better engineering program than LSU or Tech. Both are pretty damn good.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:06 pm to HebertFest08
The value of a state school can't be measured by its acceptance. That is to often determined by other factors, feeder schools nearby, other state universities, the mission is to make higher education available to as many Louisiana residents as possible. LSU can't be Tulane, Tulane can be selective to a point that LSU can't be.
The important question is "are there facilities available at the university for students to reach their highest potential." LSU more than provides that, my daughter and son are a prime examples. My daughter is listed as one of the top 100 computer professionals in her field in the country, and has co-authored book for Microsoft, and she's still very young.
This thread is about the illegitimate use of a name that ULL has no right to use.
The important question is "are there facilities available at the university for students to reach their highest potential." LSU more than provides that, my daughter and son are a prime examples. My daughter is listed as one of the top 100 computer professionals in her field in the country, and has co-authored book for Microsoft, and she's still very young.
This thread is about the illegitimate use of a name that ULL has no right to use.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:13 pm to Charles Bronson
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All are in states with much larger populations, and a lot more highly qualified students.
ok, and look at the other universities they have in their states.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:29 pm to DMZ
quote:How about it is the best public university in the state, which means it is basically free. Most of us can't afford to go to Tulane.
I guarantee 10% of LSU is there because of academics, the rest because of the football team.
quote:Like other large state schools right?
I'd say that 28,000 enrollment leans more to the fact it's so easy to get into. I guarantee if you it's hard to get into, like you say, there wouldn't be that many
quote:What is a success rate? Do you mean a retention rate? If anything that means that the school requires you to actually complete some school work or you will fail out.
Louisiana has one of the worst school success rates in the country and I know damn well those aren't out of state kids.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:43 pm to saderade
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And if ULM wanted to do so, why shouldn't they also? The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. ULL is not more entitled to adopt the name than ULM or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially ULL cannot use UL or University of Louisiana without the addition of "Lafayette."
Ooooooo, burn, UL-L.
I think this information needs to be widely distributed among the UL-L faction that actually thinks LSU needs to use the Baton Rouge designation, which it clearly does not.
Excellent post.
Oh, and UL-LAFAYETTE, shove it, runts.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:53 pm to SpqrTiger
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And if ULM wanted to do so, why shouldn't they also? The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. ULL is not more entitled to adopt the name than ULM or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially ULL cannot use UL or University of Louisiana without the addition of "Lafayette."
Posted on 4/22/09 at 9:53 pm to SpqrTiger
ul has the potential to surpass lsu a&m at baton rouge, which is why the name change was blocked in an extremely conspiratorial manner
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:26 pm to tigerinridgeland
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And if ULM wanted to do so, why shouldn't they also? The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. ULL is not more entitled to adopt the name than ULM or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially ULL cannot use UL or University of Louisiana without the addition of "Lafayette."
ULM could have claimed the name if they wanted, but they didn't. There is/was a such thing as the University of Louisiana, ULL initially got permission to use the name, but an effort was made to deny the use. ULL may not be the flagship of the UL System on paper, but it's basically understood that they are.
Basically, if folks (mainly from LSU) weren't so defensive about ULL wanting to be UL, they would indeed by UL. I really don't see why folks from LSU are so against it.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:27 pm to Tigergreg
NOBODY outside of Lafayette calls them "Louisiana" or "UL."
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:29 pm to Charles Bronson
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ULL may not be the flagship of the UL System on paper, but it's basically understood in their own minds that they are.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:29 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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ULL and name history....
ul has the potential to surpass lsu a&m at baton rouge, which is why the name change was blocked in an extremely conspiratorial manner
Perfect example of the kind of "out-of-touch with reality" thinking that is apparent with the "UL" crowd. (Southeastern has the same potential to pass Tulane in that universe.)
The name change was blocked because the name change effort was seen by the legislature as an arbitrary attempt by supporters of the name change to foist on the good people of Louisiana a "University of Louisiana" that never has or will exist. It was, and is, an attempt to bootstrap the institution into a role that neither the legislature nor the population of the state thinks appropriate. Other than ULL supporters, who in the state thinks the ULL should become known as the "University of Louisiana" on its own initiative? Certainly not the alums and supporters of other campuses of the UL system, whether ULM, La. Tech, McNeese, Nicholls, etc. Why should the name UL be usurped by ULL when it has no more legitimate claim to the name than any other constituent school of the UL system. (And in actuality, no school in the UL system has the right to the UL designation without the addition of the city in which the campus is located.)
It was the legislature that named LSU (in 1870). It was the legislature that created the UL system and set the rules for naming universities. ULL, like every other school in the UL system should abide by the rules set by the elected representatives of the people of Louisiana. I doubt seriously that outside of Lafayette Parish, ULL would get more than 10% of the population to support its name change campaign. And it doesn't seem to me that ULL has the right to make the change of name that implies a status that it doesn't otherwise have without the support of the people or their elected representatives.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:40 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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you have a school that grew to the point where it was the second largest in the state,
What's going to happen when SLU overtakes ULL as the second largest school in the state. I think they're getting close.
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:42 pm to tigerinridgeland
USL should be proud to be the home of the great Gov. Blankstare, isn't that enough gratification?
Posted on 4/22/09 at 10:51 pm to Charles Bronson
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ULM could have claimed the name if they wanted, but they didn't. There is/was a such thing as the University of Louisiana, ULL initially got permission to use the name, but an effort was made to deny the use. ULL may not be the flagship of the UL System on paper, but it's basically understood that they are.
Actually, it is unlikely that ULM could have arbitrarily changed its name to University of Louisiana. When ULL and ULM adopted the "University of Louisiana" name, it was with the explicit requirement that the name of the city be included in the name of the universities that adopted the University of Louisiana name. ULM and ULL were the only two schools in the system that decided to change their names, and had ULM not agreed to the change, ULL would still be University of Southwestern Louisiana since the rule required at least two schools to adopt the change or none could. ULL had indeed made an arbitrary effort in a prior year to adopt the name, but that was seen as usurping legislative authority to name universities (as was done in 1970 when McNeese officially became McNeese State University by legislative act, and as was done when the legislature named and renamed the institution now known as LSU) and the name was rescinded because it was not legislatively sanctioned. Certainly many LSU supporters opposed the effort of the USL to change its name to the University of Louisiana because it implied that USL was being given a status that it did not have within the system of higher education in Louisiana. The current effort flies in the face of the intent of the legislature in allowing the use of the name University of Louisiana and seems to be insulting to the other schools, like ULM who abide by the rules and who agreed to the name change with the understanding that ULL would likewise abide by those same rules.
Despite perception of some ULL supporters, ULL is not the flagship campus of the UL system. It is the largest campus, certainly, but it has no special status vis-a-vis the other constituent schools of the system.
This post was edited on 4/22/09 at 10:55 pm
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