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re: What are your goals for the basketball program?
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:54 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:54 am to Solo Cam
SEC Basketball has taken a massive leap recently. Just want to be competitive, make the NCAAT, make a Sweet 16/Elite 8 run every 5 years.
It’s incredibly hard to win the NCAAT as you can tell when Duke has only won 3 titles in a 21 year span but also gets bounced very early on numerous occasions
It’s incredibly hard to win the NCAAT as you can tell when Duke has only won 3 titles in a 21 year span but also gets bounced very early on numerous occasions
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:55 am to rutiger
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Sweet 16 is a deep run.
If you win. If you lose, nah.
Wade did that in year two. I'll hope we give him a lifetime contract if he can do it repeatedly.
He's got the lowest bar and standards of any coaching job on campus.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:56 am to Topwater Trout
The players under Wade have generally improved by year:
His roster construction & in-game coaching just need improvement.
His roster construction & in-game coaching just need improvement.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 11:58 am to Topwater Trout
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Who wasn't highly touted of those guys?
I dont know what your definition of highly touted is but your question is who developed under Wade, all those players got better in time here or were better here than their previous stop. You cant keep changing the goalposts and pass of everything with excuses like "he was a transfer" - well, how did they perform at their previous stops compared to here, did Wade not make any impact on that? Or use excuses like "well they were highly touted" - again did they get better or not? Or use an excuse cop out response like "well they just got naturally better".
To answer your question though, as I dont know what is "highly touted" in your book vs. not...but the only 5-stars among that entire group was Watford and Emmitt Williams. Smart was borderline but finished a 4-star. Eason was a 3-star. Days, Gaines, Mays and Waters were all 4-stars. KBW was a JUCO kid who did basically nothing before getting to LSU in D1.
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2 were transfers
Again, why does this matter? Your question was who developed here under Wade. Did Eason and KBW not develop/get better here under Wade than their previous stop?
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Gaines...how has he developed...better shooter? good decision maker?
Seriously? His role was extremely minor last year and this year was thrusted into a role he was never meant to be in and has played pretty decent. All his numbers across the board are up from his freshman year.
Again, it's very very apparent you dont follow basketball at all.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:00 pm to Lester Earl
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His roster construction & in-game coaching just need improvement.
Wade is a recruiter, but a weak bench coach.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:00 pm to rutiger
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Naz
Smart
Waters
Watford
all rated in top 34 in the country in high school
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:01 pm to Topwater Trout
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So you give WW all the credit for being a great player?
Eason wasnt a great player before he got here, seriously do you not pay attention at all?
These were his numbers last year at Cinci - 7 points, 6 boards, 1 steal on 46% form the floor and 24% from 3 with a 18.3 PER.
He's playing only 4.4 minutes per game more this year and is averaging 17 points, 7 boards, 2 steals on 52% from the floor and 36% from 3 with a 34.3 PER. That's a massive improvement.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:02 pm to StAugFLTiger
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Impatient?
Yes saying thing slike "oh man he needs to make a deep run ASAP" like there's a ticking clock where he needs to make the F4 in the next couple years or else he's gone.
The dude has us in the tournament each year right now and had 1 team make a S16 run out of the 2 so far, chill out.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:03 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:which is why he got another year. What’s your point?
but you can when your starting qb is injured huh
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what players have developed with Wade?
Tati Eason for 1.
Smart
Waters
Mays and on and on. all of these players improved under Wade without question.
We know you’re an O suck arse / knob slobber and where your sore arse comes from. Why won’t you use your alter to continue to bash Wade. You were one of these that did it continually to tear him down when he was winning because everyone had the opinion that Wade was the best coach on campus including better than Maineri who had wasted away a ton of talent.
You can try to keep defending him like all those idiots that defend political parties.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He's got the lowest bar and standards of any coaching job on campus.
I mean the basketball program history is a joke compared to football and baseball. That much should be obvious.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:07 pm to Topwater Trout
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all rated in top 34 in the country in high school
Your question was did they get better/develop under Wade. The answer is absolutely yes for Smart, Waters and Watford as they were here multiple years and got better.
No idea why you keep bringing up recruiting ranking when talking about development. Anyone can be developed over time, doesnt matter if you're a 2 star or 5 star.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:09 pm to thunderbird1100
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Eason wasnt a great player before he got here, seriously do you not pay attention at all?
so you are giving WW all the credit for his development?
4 star recruit and made the all freshmen team last year...its not like he didn't have talent and most freshmen do improve
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Wade’s bench coaching wouldn’t be as noticeable if he recruited more skill-forward players. The players he likes are highly athletic but most lack the skill & intangibles found in winning players
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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so you are giving WW all the credit for his development?
Again, here's the difference in his 2 years so far:
At Cinci last year: 7 points, 6 boards, 1 steal on 46% form the floor and 24% from 3 with a 18.3 PER
At LSU this year: 4.4 minutes per game more this year and is averaging 17 points, 7 boards, 2 steals on 52% from the floor and 36% from 3 with a 34.3 PER
This is a MASSIVE difference. The dude is being mocked as a lottery pick now, he was nowhere on the NBA radar last year.
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4 star recruit
#138 in the country per composite, a 3-star
And again, this shouldnt matter, your question was did guys develop under Wade. You cant pretend like a 4 or 5 star player cant be developed at all because they were a 4 or 5 star player. That's stupid.
Also not shocking you once again are coming up with another excuse as to why Wade hasn't developed anyone, again, numerous players that have gotten better under him over time.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:13 pm to thunderbird1100
I know you aren't responding to me, but it makes you younger guys look stupid when you say things like "I know you don't follow basketball".
I'm not saying whether they develop or not, but saying Gaines has developed because his stats have gone up? How could they not since he didn't play last year much. Players usually get more physical and confident as they get older, in general.
Wade needs to make some runs, or he won't be around in 5 years. I don't think most coaches are hired on a 15 year plan.
I'm not saying whether they develop or not, but saying Gaines has developed because his stats have gone up? How could they not since he didn't play last year much. Players usually get more physical and confident as they get older, in general.
Wade needs to make some runs, or he won't be around in 5 years. I don't think most coaches are hired on a 15 year plan.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:14 pm to thunderbird1100
So you think Eason developed because of Wade's tutelage? Interesting
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:18 pm to StAugFLTiger
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I know you aren't responding to me, but it makes you younger guys look stupid when you say things like "I know you don't follow basketball".
I'm not exactly that young...and again, when someone seriously says "Who has developed under Wade", they clearly dont have a clue and dont follow the program. That much should be obvious that plenty of guys have gotten better at LSU under Wade.
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I'm not saying whether they develop or not, but saying Gaines has developed because his stats have gone up? How could they not since he didn't play last year much. Players usually get more physical and confident as they get older, in general.
22.2% FG -> 39.5% FG
25% from 2 -> 46.3% from 2
17.2% from 3 -> 25.7% from 3
2.5pts/gm in 13.4 min -> 9.3pts/gm in 26.9 min
6.0 PER -> 14.7 PER
Those are all efficiency stats, not just raw stats. He's a way way more efficient player now, despite doubling his playing time on the court per game.
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Wade needs to make some runs, or he won't be around in 5 years. I don't think most coaches are hired on a 15 year plan.
So if he literally makes the tournament every single year for the next 5 years but doesnt make the F4 he's gone? Come on man, dont stay stuff that's dumb. The fac tthe basketball program is a consistent NCAAT team right now is a MASSIVE improvement from where we were for the last 2.5 decades prior to Wade. Just let things play out before trying so hard to get rid of coach that has already massively improved the program.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:19 pm to TigerLunatik
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Should lsu be a tournament team with a real contender every year with a run every 4 years?
This is where I'm at. I'm not under any delusion that the basketball program is ever going to be a powerhouse.
I'm at this spot too.
I'd LIKE to have a Final Four team every year, but absolutely don't hold the program to that standard. It's just not realistic.
As a kid who remembered as far back as the late 70's (Macklin/Martin era), LSU was an annual tournament team capable of making occasional runs, and the runs weren't necessarily tied to the talent on the team. I am happy with a return to that.
As long as LSU can get into the field, and make a good accounting of itself once there (not blown out in game 1 by some nobody), we're good. Keep going, there will be runs.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:21 pm to StAugFLTiger
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So you think Eason developed because of Wade's tutelage? Interesting
I'm saying it's stupid to act like Wade/staff had no impact on a 3-star kid who had decent numbers his previous year but is now so good he's being considered as a lottery pick. Again an 18 PER to a 34 PER, that's an insane jump. So is going from 7 points to 17 points a game on less than 5 minutes a game extra.
I have no clue why some people literally are trying to pretend nobody has developed under Wade at all. Sure, some of that is getting more mature, but you cant just pass off all of that under the guise of "well he got a year older".
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:21 pm to Topwater Trout
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so you are giving WW all the credit for his development?
Can you clarify who you would give credit to for his improvement?
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