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re: Who will Maneiri start at 3rd base this weekend???
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:14 am to JustSmokin
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:14 am to JustSmokin
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it looks like he missed another sign or something. Mainieri was pissed during one of Hanover's AB.
That was the at bat that Jared Mitchell got picked off against Baylor. At one point the tv showed Mainieri trying to give signs and he said, "Just <edit> hit!" Hanover was either missing another signal, wasn't checking for the sign, or somebody else was screwing up.
LSU botched that inning.
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:16 am to josh336
Am I missing something? Did anyone else see Helenini screw up 2 routine plays this past weekend. If I remember correctly, he one hopped a ball into the dugout.
With our great starting pitching staff I feel confident that we can hold the opposition to a low scoring game. That said, they need to be confident that the guys behind them (Hanover, Nola, LeMahieu, etc.) are going to make the plays.
Yall keep talking about the hitting, but just as it is with any sport, it's defense that wins championships.
I just keep getting this mental picture of having Helenihi at 3rd, we're up 2-1, they've got a man at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. The balls hit right at Helenihi and he throws the ball into the dugout costing us some runs on what should have been a routine play.
Defense wins Championships, and I have confidence in Hanover's Arm.
With our great starting pitching staff I feel confident that we can hold the opposition to a low scoring game. That said, they need to be confident that the guys behind them (Hanover, Nola, LeMahieu, etc.) are going to make the plays.
Yall keep talking about the hitting, but just as it is with any sport, it's defense that wins championships.
I just keep getting this mental picture of having Helenihi at 3rd, we're up 2-1, they've got a man at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. The balls hit right at Helenihi and he throws the ball into the dugout costing us some runs on what should have been a routine play.
Defense wins Championships, and I have confidence in Hanover's Arm.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:21 am to irvine555
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Am I missing something? Did anyone else see Helenini screw up 2 routine plays this past weekend. If I remember correctly, he one hopped a ball into the dugout.
He only had one error. It came in the first inning of the Minn game. What other play are you talking about?
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Defense wins Championships, and I have confidence in Hanover's Arm.
Hanover has the worst fielding percentage by far of the position players. And it's not even close.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:23 am to irvine555
True that Hanover's arm is stronger, but I think Derek has more range at 3rd. It's a tough call, but if you stick with Ochinko, seems to reason you gotta stick with Hanover. We wouldn't be here without him. Was a point where he was the man with RISP.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:24 am to irvine555
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I just keep getting this mental picture of having Helenihi at 3rd, we're up 2-1, they've got a man at 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. The balls hit right at Helenihi and he throws the ball into the dugout costing us some runs on what should have been a routine play.
And I keep getting this mental picture of a true freshman at 3rd base double clutching and then dropping a routine double play ball in the bottom of the ninth in Starkville... an error that helped cost us an outright SEC title.
Flash forward two weeks, and I see the same scene repeated in Baton Rouge...allowing the tying run to score. At least this time, it didn't cost us anything.
Tyler Hanover is a true freshman. His day will come. Replace him in the late innings w/ a veteran who's been there.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:25 am to irvine555
If I remember correctly the 2nd play they are referencing wasn't an error but a very high throw to 1st that luckily whoever was at 1st managed to get. If not it would have been trouble. It was a tough play and even a good throw would have had a hard time getting the runner.
But I could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last.
But I could be totally wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and certainly won't be the last.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:27 am to JustSmokin
I definitely remember him messing up twice in that game, because my girlfriend even commented that we needed to switch back to Hanover after he messed up twice.
Now the 2nd mistake I'm referring to, might not have been an error. I think he fielded a ball and just didn't get it to 1st in time, because he doesn't have the arm strength.
Now the 2nd mistake I'm referring to, might not have been an error. I think he fielded a ball and just didn't get it to 1st in time, because he doesn't have the arm strength.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:29 am to JustSmokin
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He only had one error. It came in the first inning of the Minn game. What other play are you talking about?
Exacting. Also, if Louis Coleman trusts DH at 3rd, why can't we.
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"Helenihi doesn’t make many errors at all. For him to make that error raised my confidence in him that it wouldn’t happen again. There was never any doubt in my mind that the guys behind me wouldn’t do their work.”
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:38 am to IM4LSU2
I always thought Helenihi was solid in the field and has more than enough arm strength to play third. Lack of hitting early in the season is what put him on the bench. It's good to see him step up at the plate in the postseason.
It's been a long season and Hanover may have hit the freshman wall. He is a little guy and I wonder if he is wearing out a bit, both physically and mentally.
It's been a long season and Hanover may have hit the freshman wall. He is a little guy and I wonder if he is wearing out a bit, both physically and mentally.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:40 am to IM4LSU2
This is a really tough question. I trust whoever Mainieri puts out there.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:45 am to Broham
gotta go with the hand that got you here, Hanover.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:51 am to JustSmokin
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I always thought Helenihi was solid in the field and has more than enough arm strength to play third. Lack of hitting early in the season is what put him on the bench. It's good to see him step up at the plate in the postseason.
I agree.
Also, I've really missed seeing Derek on the field this season, and it is good to see him step up at the plate.
In addition, I believe Hanover will continue to achieve great things in an LSU uniform.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 9:57 am to IM4LSU2
Maybe Nathan Dunn has a year of eligibility left...bet he can still CRUSH the ball.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 10:14 am to gumbeaux
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I noticed he did not play Sunday vs. Minnesota.
I posted the same question. Someone said because Helenihi was a senior. I wasn't buying that reason.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 10:21 am to Weaver
Hanover did finish the game FWIW.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 11:46 am to Choupique19
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At one point the tv showed Mainieri trying to give signs and he said, "Just <edit> hit!" Hanover was either missing another signal, wasn't checking for the sign
I noticed that too. PM was obviously upset. So much so, my brother predicted the switch at 3rd prior to the Sunday game.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 11:48 am to wilfont
hanover starts IMO
Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:50 pm to TheDoc
How about moving D.J. to third and move Hanover to second where he belongs, Lemahieu shouldn't complain moving again right????
Kidding!
Kidding!Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:56 pm to irvine555
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I definitely remember him messing up twice in that game, because my girlfriend even commented that we needed to switch back to Hanover after he messed up twice.
Now the 2nd mistake I'm referring to, might not have been an error. I think he fielded a ball and just didn't get it to 1st in time, because he doesn't have the arm strength.
You are thinking about a perfect bunt laid down for a hit that Helenihi charged and made a great effort on. He had to rush the throw and it was offline and pulled Ochinko off the bag.
It was clearly not an error -- just a great effort that very nearly made an outstanding play.
Posted on 6/3/09 at 1:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
So everyone on here is in agreement that the real argument here is:
1. Hanover - Has a better arm (stonger, more accurate), but makes freshman mistakes from time to time.
2. Helenihi - Is a senior and possesses great leadership skills, and is a much better hitter.
Is this about the gist of it, or is someone gonna tell me that Helenihi has a better arm than Hanover?
1. Hanover - Has a better arm (stonger, more accurate), but makes freshman mistakes from time to time.
2. Helenihi - Is a senior and possesses great leadership skills, and is a much better hitter.
Is this about the gist of it, or is someone gonna tell me that Helenihi has a better arm than Hanover?
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