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re: Why would Woodward pay a coach this much?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:19 am to mauser
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:19 am to mauser
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He's signed for a 10 year contract. Seven years left. Who is going to cover the buyout. Who is going to pony up the millions for a new coach.
The reality is we're stuck like this for at least 4 more years.
He will be here for another 2 years for sure. The Brooks lawsuit may provide LSU with the opportunity to fire Kelly for cause after next season, but he is sure to fight it in court. Regardless, LSU could settle with Kelly out of court for half of the buyout.
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Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:26 am to mattchewbocca
10 million is insane for any coach , but the bigger issue is 10 years.
Should have been 5 max.
Should have been 5 max.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:26 am to mattchewbocca
Other people's money. He DGAF
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:26 am to mattchewbocca
Like others have said, the fans want a big name hire. BK was a big name but he was also not our first call. Now, I don't think BK should be fired but I do think it would be prudent to start identifying coaches that could be hired next and that list should be of guys that maybe haven't coach at Big Time programs, but are proven winners in the NIL era.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:30 am to mattchewbocca
This is what coaches cost now. Look at all of the big programs.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:33 am to mattchewbocca
Why do you care what he pays a coach? Why don’t you look and see exactly how his salary is broken down.
People who talk about coach’s salaries are just reaching.
What’s Riley getting? What’s Norvell getting?
People who talk about coach’s salaries are just reaching.
What’s Riley getting? What’s Norvell getting?
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:33 am to kjp811
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BK was a big name but he was also not our first call
BK was the only call. Geez.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:31 pm to BallChamp00
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Why do you care what he pays a coach? Why don’t you look and see exactly how his salary is broken down. People who talk about coach’s salaries are just reaching. What’s Riley getting? What’s Norvell getting?
It’s not the salary (which is too high for a coach that hasn’t won Jack shite). It’s the contract length that is the issue. It was fricking stupid.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:38 pm to mattchewbocca
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This is what you pay a coach who has been with the program for five years and the program has consistently gotten better and the 5th year is a national championship.
There are 2 active coaches who have won championships.
They both make more than Kelly and have bigger contracts.
there are 9 active coaches to make the CFP.
7 Make More than kelly.
Sonny Dykes makes less.
You want a coach who will take a low salary on a short contract with no buyout, hire a G5 coach or a coordinator.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:44 pm to SammyTiger
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There are 2 active coaches who have won championships.
3 - Mack Brown, Dabo, and Kirby
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:55 pm to AlwysATgr
shite forgot about Mack Brown.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:56 pm to mattchewbocca
Couple of comments:
1) Hit the rewind back to '21. Ed was failing big time. He was a 'cheap hire.' As others have noted, SW likely wanted to make a 'big splash hire.' I suspect the Ed-era clouded SW's vision so that the most promising candidates were never even considered because they would not meet the 'big splash' criteria.
2) The 10Y contract was excessive and unmerited. If BK wanted out of SB at his age so that he could win a natty before retirement he was looking at about a half-dozen sites (of which LSU was one). BK did not have the luxury of waiting for the next one to open up. Moreover, the game was changing (NIL/portal). BK has no more experience in this era than does anyone else.
1) Hit the rewind back to '21. Ed was failing big time. He was a 'cheap hire.' As others have noted, SW likely wanted to make a 'big splash hire.' I suspect the Ed-era clouded SW's vision so that the most promising candidates were never even considered because they would not meet the 'big splash' criteria.
2) The 10Y contract was excessive and unmerited. If BK wanted out of SB at his age so that he could win a natty before retirement he was looking at about a half-dozen sites (of which LSU was one). BK did not have the luxury of waiting for the next one to open up. Moreover, the game was changing (NIL/portal). BK has no more experience in this era than does anyone else.
This post was edited on 11/18/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:57 pm to mattchewbocca
that is the going rate to get coaches to come to a major program. The agents are in control. I wonder how much we were offering Riley when we lost out to USC.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 12:58 pm to SammyTiger
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There are 2 active coaches who have won championships.
They both make more than Kelly and have bigger contracts.
there are 9 active coaches to make the CFP.
7 Make More than kelly.
Sonny Dykes makes less.
You want a coach who will take a low salary on a short contract with no buyout, hire a G5 coach or a coordinator.
Exactly, these people don't understand that this is the market now.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:01 pm to SidewalkTiger
Kelly is making less than 3 million more than Billy Napier.
I know people will go off because he just lost to Billy but Napier hasn’t had a winning season in 3 years and got hired away from ULL not Notre Dame.
I know people will go off because he just lost to Billy but Napier hasn’t had a winning season in 3 years and got hired away from ULL not Notre Dame.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:04 pm to Alt26
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If you want a “big” hire be prepared to pay big money. If you aren’t prepared to pay big money then lower your expectations for the hire
I agree with what you are saying, but it's not the AD's job to do whatever the fans say. It's his job to pick a coach that will win championships.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:08 pm to mattchewbocca
Because he’s not a good athletic director, it’s really the schools fault because he was bad at A&M and we still hired him
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:11 pm to BallChamp00
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Why do you care what he pays a coach? Why don’t you look and see exactly how his salary is broken down.
People who talk about coach’s salaries are just reaching.
What’s Riley getting? What’s Norvell getting?
A lot. And that's why they aren't getting fired. Schools are getting bent over with bad contracts and coaches that are underperforming are keeping their jobs because of it.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:23 pm to LSBoosie
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I agree with what you are saying, but it's not the AD's job to do whatever the fans say. It's his job to pick a coach that will win championships.
At the time BK was hired here is the list of HC's who had won championships since 2010
Saban
Smart
Dabo
Fisher
Meyer
Chizik
Orgeron (who you obviously just fired)
Here is the list who had multiple CFP appearances since the inception in 2014:
Saban
Smart
Dabo
Meyer
Kelly
Riley
Day
That means unless you were hiring someone from those groups there was no track record of championship, or even playoff success, with whomever you hired. If past results are the best indicators of future success, then Kelly was about as good a hire as you can hope for. Unfortunately, when a HC has a NC championship game appearance, along with two CFP appearances, and is in the midst of an 11-1 season, he's not going to give up his current successful job to go elsewhere for a smaller contract.
What I have learned in reading the posts over the last few days is perhaps 75% of LSU fans have little to no understanding of supply and demand, or the college football marketplace. Evidently they believe LSU could hire a surefire championship HC and he would accept a 4 year deal worth $1M annually.
Posted on 11/18/24 at 1:23 pm to mattchewbocca
This BK deal and the original Jimbo deal at A&M were both fine imo
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