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re: 1995 Nebraska vs. 2011 Alabama
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:58 pm to TTsTowel
Posted on 7/16/22 at 12:58 pm to TTsTowel
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Why do we want to put him in other systems when he dominated in the one he was in?
Because the one he was in sucks in comparison to today's offenses. That's the whole gist of this discussion/argument.
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Posted on 7/16/22 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because the one he was in sucks in comparison to today's offenses. That's the whole gist of this discussion/argument.
but were discussing him running that system against a team today.
not him running some other system.
he ran that one as good as anyone ever had.
sure he would suck if you asked him to run the same offense Tom Brady ran in New England.
but Brady would also suck running the ‘95 Nebraska offense.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 1:40 pm to Nutriaitch
Yes I do
Players are much bigger, faster, and stronger. They are light years ahead on nutrition, supplements, recovery, and data driven results. And before you counter with a couple examples that you think prove me wrong, there are always a few transcendent guys that would be great in every generation. They are the outlier.
Malik Nabers is torching any Nebraska DB. Fact.
Players are much bigger, faster, and stronger. They are light years ahead on nutrition, supplements, recovery, and data driven results. And before you counter with a couple examples that you think prove me wrong, there are always a few transcendent guys that would be great in every generation. They are the outlier.
Malik Nabers is torching any Nebraska DB. Fact.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 1:44 pm to GentleJackJones
I’m sure it’s been said but Georgia Southern was sandwiched between LSU and Auburn. It wasn’t a big game - it was on PPV. Give Georgia Southern credit - they took advantage of Bama sleepwalking and made plays with a unique offense that Bama hadn’t seen all year.
Give that defense time to prepare and I think they have the ability to slow 95 Nebraska down.
Give that defense time to prepare and I think they have the ability to slow 95 Nebraska down.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 2:16 pm to Nutriaitch
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he got Spurrier during Spurrier’s only undefeated regular season of his career. and one of only 2 National title games he participated in.
Miami and Florida State were better in the Spurrier era and their peak teams (which Nebraska routinely lost to) were much better suited for stopping the Osborne offense.
It’s that simple. The 1995 Nebraska team did not have to face the caliber of defense that gave them problems for years.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 2:20 pm to DBG
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Malik Nabers is torching any Nebraska DB. Fact.
and Max Johnson misses him just like he did in 2021
Posted on 7/16/22 at 2:26 pm to DBG
quote:So you think players from 2005 would just get demolished today?
Players are much bigger, faster, and stronger. They are light years ahead on nutrition, supplements, recovery, and data driven results. And before you counter with a couple examples that you think prove me wrong, there are always a few transcendent guys that would be great in every generation. They are the outlier.
You think 2005 nfl players would struggle to make the field?
I feel pretty confident the 2005 Patriots wouldn’t just get demolished by nfl teams today
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 2:28 pm to Globetrotter747
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Miami and Florida State were better in the Spurrier era and their peak teams (which Nebraska routinely lost to) were much better suited for stopping the Osborne offense.
from 93-97 (five full seasons), they lost a total of 3 games.
only one of those was to either FSU or Miami and it was on a missed FG on last play of the game.
they didn’t routinely lose to anyone.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:17 pm to Nutriaitch
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from 93-97 (five full seasons), they lost a total of 3 games. only one of those was to either FSU or Miami and it was on a missed FG on last play of the game. they didn’t routinely lose to anyone.
Nebraska lost a bunch of games to FSU, Miami, and Oklahoma in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Take those three teams away and Nebraska wins the natty with undefeated seasons in 1983, 1987, and 1993. The last remnant of the old Miami teams gave them all they wanted in 1994.
Those teams had great defensive personnel and coaches who knew how to play Nebraska. I’m not necessarily saying 1995 Nebraska wouldn’t have won against those teams, but they would have made them bleed for it.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 3:22 pm to Nutriaitch
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can Nebraska do that, or will they be forced to play “hands off” like required by today’s standards?
Very good point. I don’t think they could consistently cover OBJ/Landry/Randle with present day rules.
Also to the next comment, you don’t think LSU might score on defense too? Mathieu might be the biggest threat to do just that in CFB history.
I think the matchup with either 2011 team might be a 9-6 type game. Unless like I said they just couldn’t cover those receivers, especially Beckham.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:08 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
quote:Likewise, does it matter if they could cover them or not?
I don’t think they could consistently cover OBJ/Landry/Randle with present day rules.
Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson were complete garbage.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:30 pm to DBG
quote:exactly, Bama would bloodbath that team.
Players are much bigger, faster, and stronger. They are light years ahead on nutrition, supplements, recovery, and data driven results.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 4:30 pm to TTsTowel
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Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson were complete garbage.
Lee was 62% with a 14-3 ratio. Once teams had no choice but to commit extra bodies to the run, he could complete the easy passes.
Bama was the only team that could compete because of their insane talented (deer antler-sprayed?) depth on the front 7 - I just don’t think a team from 1995 could hold up physically and stop those receivers.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 6:28 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
If that were reality the Denver Olines of the late 90s, who averaged 290lbs, could’ve never handled a Green Bay front that included Gilbert Brown (340+), Reggie White (300+), the best DE to ever play and Santana Dotson (280) even though they shredded that and many other big dlines for several seasons. That argument comes apart under the slightest of scrutiny which is why teams like Ga Tech were able to run a far inferior scheme with smaller linemen and less talent successfully against bigger teams including aforementioned SEC power Georgia.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 7:31 pm to Madking
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If that were reality the Denver Olines of the late 90s, who averaged 290lbs, could’ve never handled a Green Bay front that included Gilbert Brown (340+), Reggie White (300+), the best DE to ever play and Santana Dotson (280) even though they shredded that and many other big dlines for several seasons. That argument comes apart under the slightest of scrutiny which is why teams like Ga Tech were able to run a far inferior scheme with smaller linemen and less talent successfully against bigger teams including aforementioned SEC power Georgia.
Denver might be a good point. They had good technicians on the OL.
Georgia Tech is not a good example. GT didn’t ask their OL to blow DL off the ball. They got up on the LB’s and read the DL. Very finesse rushing offense.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:05 pm to Globetrotter747
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My point was the Nebraska offense struggled against the strong defensive teams of Miami, Oklahoma, and Florida State in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Those great fronts and defenses coordinated by coaches familiar with the Nebraska style shut them down.
Winning in football is not always about how good you are. It’s a lot about how good everyone else is. Osborne’s earlier teams had to deal with prime Oklahoma in the regular season and prime FSU/Miami in the bowl game.
...which is why Osborne started recruiting speed in the early-90s. Once they had to speed to compete with Miami and FSU, they were near impossible to stop. Heck, Frazier was from FL. Miami's best defense was in 94 and Nebraska beat them in their own backyard. 93 Nebraska held FSU to 18 points in the Orange Bowl and would have won the game if not for their shitty kicker, which is why Osborne recruited Kris Brown. By the late-80s/early-90s Colorado and KSU were true contenders as well. Not to mention they manhandled Peyton Manning and Tennessee in Manning's last college game.
This post was edited on 7/16/22 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:08 pm to DBG
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Players are much bigger, faster, and stronger. They are light years ahead on nutrition, supplements, recovery, and data driven results. And before you counter with a couple examples that you think prove me wrong, there are always a few transcendent guys that would be great in every generation. They are the outlier.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:14 pm to Madking
2019 LSU beats them all & even the Tide fans know it 
Posted on 7/16/22 at 9:21 pm to winston1970
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2019 LSU beats them all
...only in LSU fans' minds.
Posted on 7/16/22 at 10:09 pm to moontigr
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...which is why Osborne started recruiting speed in the early-90s. Once they had to speed to compete with Miami and FSU, they were near impossible to stop.
Lost to Miami in ‘91, lost FSU in ‘92, lost FSU in ‘93, and narrowly beat Miami in ‘94 right before the bottom fell out of the program.
They weren’t beating any of those teams 62-24.
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93 Nebraska held FSU to 18 points in the Orange Bowl and would have won the game if not for their shitty kicker [quote]
And FSU held Frazier and Co. to 16 pts. That’s not a whole lot of offense.
[quote] Not to mention they manhandled Peyton Manning and Tennessee in Manning's last college game.
They also got their asses shutout by Arizona State and lost to a mediocre Texas team in the Big XII championship in ‘96. The ‘97 team needed a miracle catch to send the game in OT against Missouri.
The ‘93, ‘94, ‘96, ‘97 teams all faced more challenging circumstances than the ‘95 team did.
The ‘93 team had to play prime FSU in the Orange Bowl. The ‘94 team faced a Colorado team that was better than anything the ‘95 team beat in the regular. And they had to play Miami in the Orange Bowl. The ‘96 team played Arizona State on the road and they were better than anyone the ‘95 team saw in the regular season. The ‘96 and ‘97 teams also had to play a conference championship.
The ‘95 team did not play a really good regular season opponent - I don’t give a shite where Kansas was ranked - and Florida’s soft front and clueless coaches were perfect for them to obliterate.
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