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re: Another LHSAA vote coming Wednesday
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:56 pm to LSU316
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:56 pm to LSU316
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This is the interesting thing about this whole thing...as for privates I'd bet my paycheck they had a split plan going into this meeting and I bet they'll start working it tomorrow.
If places like West Monroe, Acadiana, Zachary, Mandeville, etc want to join the privates and push to get it done....well then the people that started this whole split mess (looking at you Winnfield) will be left with egg on their face and no money to clean it off.
They do have a plan in place. Just might not be ready for this upcoming school year. And you are exactly right on everything else. I also heard today that there were some BIG NOLA catholic schools who are now ready to break off ASAP. If that happens, it could happen as early as August. I think most of the privates are waiting on the catholic schools to make their decision.
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:57 pm to choupiquesushi
The privates are getting their ducks in a row and will allow the LHSAA to financially crumble right about the time they bolt.. The sinking ship that is the LHSAA will not have the selects money to fall back on when this inevitability occurs.. It will be hilarious to watch..
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 4:59 pm to RedPop4
An underrated point is how close each vote is getting each time. The next vote may not be in favor of a split. If they didn't try to combine b and c this wouldn't have been the outcome, guaranteed.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:01 pm to RedPop4
It just seems like either side can even see the point of view of the other side. Kind of a recipe for not getting a compromise.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:01 pm to Andy Bernard
They met privately the week after the last vote in, April, was it? They have a charter/incorporating document or whatever, basically finalized. They have dues structure already finalized, and a commissioner who's volunteered to operate the new organization.
The New Orleans Catholic schools are not certain yet, and the Office of Catholic Schools of the Archdiocese of New Orleans is not ready to give the go-ahead. Now, some of the schools are not, technically, under the auspices of the O.C.S., but they won't likely buck the Archdiocese or the Archbishop either.
This association would include any schools that may care to join. If the split IS once-and-for-all final, you may or may not, according to discussions here, see some fairly big name publics come over to the new association. I'm guessing Winnfield would be the only one not allowed to join..
The New Orleans Catholic schools are not certain yet, and the Office of Catholic Schools of the Archdiocese of New Orleans is not ready to give the go-ahead. Now, some of the schools are not, technically, under the auspices of the O.C.S., but they won't likely buck the Archdiocese or the Archbishop either.
This association would include any schools that may care to join. If the split IS once-and-for-all final, you may or may not, according to discussions here, see some fairly big name publics come over to the new association. I'm guessing Winnfield would be the only one not allowed to join..
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:04 pm to RedPop4
No I know that public schools have already contacted the select association people and are interested in moving. What sucks about the situation is that there are some public schools that voted against it and are being grouped with all of the other publics.
The key is the catholic schools.
The key is the catholic schools.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:06 pm to GhostofJackson
It wouldn't have mattered today but it was still dumb to have the votes for all 5 options done at one time. That made it a cakewalk to have all the votes split up.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:07 pm to RedPop4
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The New Orleans Catholic schools are not certain yet, and the Office of Catholic Schools of the Archdiocese of New Orleans is not ready to give the go-ahead. Now, some of the schools are not, technically, under the auspices of the O.C.S., but they won't likely buck the Archdiocese or the Archbishop either
So the future of the LHSAA rides on an archbishop that graduated from a NOLA catholic school. Isn't it interesting how life works out!!
Someone would have to take action to stop the publics from joining if they choose to do so. For example, the local school board, or, the legislature could pass a law with gov signature that prevents schools that receive MFP money from belonging to any athletic association that is NOT the LHSAA.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:08 pm to tigerskin
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It wouldn't have mattered today but it was still dumb to have the votes for all 5 options done at one time. That made it a cakewalk to have all the votes split up.
I just assumed that if no vote got a majority, they would have a runoff of sorts between the top two.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
It is typical LHSAA. I feel sorry for Bonine as well. He comes into a shite show and his job is to try to fix it. The principals are to blame, but Bonine works for them.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:12 pm to Andy Bernard
Until something comes to the table with something that makes playing field more even, the split has to stay. Yes it sucks but it is what it is for now.
-which would you rather have?
public school coach:
Can only work with the players within his zone. (Some even have multiple public schools to compete with within their district)
Private school coach:
No zoning, so can have some of best players from surrounding areas driving with distances even from 30-45 min away. (If they have the money or school can afford to bring in on scholarship they are good to go)
Now, play under same rules/district/championship
You don't think public school coach would have a problem with this?
common sense says yes, if you look at most of the private schools with a lot of success in sports they have players from different parishes that the public school can only grit their teeth and accept because both are within the rules, but not equal.
Think of an uneven playing field NFL wise:
Let's say through NFL like NFC South-
So Panthers and Falcons have first dibs on trying to sign your drafted players and can sign free agents from anywhere in NFL.
Saints and Bucs can only get the draft picks that were hopefully not taken from them and also not allowed to sign free agents. (Of course the teams who can take your players probably just took your top players in draft)
Now go compete in same division and for same Super Bowl trophy.
For Saints or Bucs fans, you'd be crying how unfair it is!!
-which would you rather have?
public school coach:
Can only work with the players within his zone. (Some even have multiple public schools to compete with within their district)
Private school coach:
No zoning, so can have some of best players from surrounding areas driving with distances even from 30-45 min away. (If they have the money or school can afford to bring in on scholarship they are good to go)
Now, play under same rules/district/championship
You don't think public school coach would have a problem with this?
common sense says yes, if you look at most of the private schools with a lot of success in sports they have players from different parishes that the public school can only grit their teeth and accept because both are within the rules, but not equal.
Think of an uneven playing field NFL wise:
Let's say through NFL like NFC South-
So Panthers and Falcons have first dibs on trying to sign your drafted players and can sign free agents from anywhere in NFL.
Saints and Bucs can only get the draft picks that were hopefully not taken from them and also not allowed to sign free agents. (Of course the teams who can take your players probably just took your top players in draft)
Now go compete in same division and for same Super Bowl trophy.
For Saints or Bucs fans, you'd be crying how unfair it is!!
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:13 pm to RedPop4
The privates' main problem is they've been threatening this for several years now. Its gotten to be a boy who called wolf situation. Maybe this time the wolf will actually bite.
If it's in their best interest to go I can't blame them if they do. If they do it out of spite or threaten to do so as a negotiation tactic then they wouldn't be acting rationally.
If it's in their best interest to go I can't blame them if they do. If they do it out of spite or threaten to do so as a negotiation tactic then they wouldn't be acting rationally.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:13 pm to RedPop4
Why does anyone think it will cost more money because of split. More teams playing equals more fans equals more hotel rooms equals more money being pumped into a venue/city. Why would sponsors back out? Again more people would mean bigger audience to advertise to.
If Select schools leave how would they be able to afford the same things you are saying Non Selects won't be able to afford???
Just to make it clear, I am not in favor of split solely because I think it waters down completion.
If Select schools leave how would they be able to afford the same things you are saying Non Selects won't be able to afford???
Just to make it clear, I am not in favor of split solely because I think it waters down completion.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:16 pm to Methuselah
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The privates' main problem is they've been threatening this for several years now. Its gotten to be a boy who called wolf situation. Maybe this time the wolf will actually bite.
If it's in their best interest to go I can't blame them if they do. If they do it out of spite or threaten to do so as a negotiation tactic then they wouldn't be acting rationally.
Agreed for the most point. But I think this is really it. They are tired of it. Why pay the association not to have a voice?
And let the record be straight on one more thing... PUBLIC SCHOOLS RECRUIT JUST AS MUCH!!! I know of a situation of a new coach coming in and now has transfers from multiple schools already enrolled. It is the biggest hypocritical thing to say when people/principals/whatever say that privates are the only ones that recruit.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:17 pm to tigertown79
Did u look at the options presented today? First option would work but most publics going today were voting no regardless of what was on the table.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:20 pm to Andy Bernard
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I feel sorry for Bonine as well. He comes into a shite show and his job is to try to fix it. The principals are to blame, but Bonine works for them.
I would be STUNNED if he is still the exec director come the start of football season. He was brought in to heal a rift and has been handcuffed since the beginning. He's too a guy to put up with this.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:20 pm to tigerskin
the publics didn't even really listen to the other options. They have had their minds set for a while. Winfield/Many, etc thanks for starting the end of the LHSAA. Norman Booker, you should be proud
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:21 pm to GGShin
Simple answer is that people care less when the product is watered down.. Putting on to many games with small spread out crowds is not condussive to making a profit for basketball. The old superdome classic where 5 games were played in 2 days was perfect in attracting wider audiences and keeping them in the stadium throughout the weekend..
Posted on 6/8/16 at 5:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
might as well as make Norman Booker the commissioner.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 7:36 pm to RedPop4
On sportsline, people who support the split would have you believe Bonine is no leader, that he should be replaced... they think if nobody's trying to overturn the split, they can make it better for all.
I thought turnout would be low, but I knew what was going to happen when I saw that 300 schools showed up...
Hopefully no matter what happens, we find a way to play Holy Cross...
I thought turnout would be low, but I knew what was going to happen when I saw that 300 schools showed up...
Hopefully no matter what happens, we find a way to play Holy Cross...
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