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re: ATL Thread 4/14: Grissom Back Edition
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:09 pm to Broski
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:09 pm to Broski
Disagree on the Witt ball. He double clutched not trusting Olson and not knowing the runner.
I know it was charged to Morton and Morton could have caught it, but that doesn’t mean that Grissom could not have thrown a more catchable ball.
It’s one game and I’m sure there were some nerves, but that defense is not playable. Hope it improves.
I know it was charged to Morton and Morton could have caught it, but that doesn’t mean that Grissom could not have thrown a more catchable ball.
It’s one game and I’m sure there were some nerves, but that defense is not playable. Hope it improves.
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:13 pm to POCKET
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Disagree on the Witt ball. He double clutched not trusting Olson and not knowing the runner.
Lol, he didn't double clutch at all. Go back and watch the play. He had to wait on it and then fired a dart.
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I know it was charged to Morton and Morton could have caught it, but that doesn’t mean that Grissom could not have thrown a more catchable ball.
Watch the replay with the better angle, Morton whiffed on it. It wasn't an errant throw by any means. If there is one thing Grissom is elite with, it's his arm.
It seems you're going into these plays knowing that Grissom is shaky at short, so you're naturally blaming him for the mistakes.
He 100% should've fielded that ball up the middle and that misplay was the proof that no matter the amount of WashWork Grissom gets, he's going to be an adventure at SS. But the other two plays in question, he did nothing wrong.
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Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:21 pm to Broski
someone post the murphy conteras stats
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:25 pm to sorantable
Don't encourage him. 
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:27 pm to sorantable
Murphy has been awesome. I honestly had no clue he was this good when AA traded for him. It seems like he gets better by catching more games too.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:31 pm to VADawg
He's always had power and could hit. His #'s were always better on the road when he wasn't playing in that dump in Oakland.
His defense is second to none, maybe JTR but that's it.
His defense is second to none, maybe JTR but that's it.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:33 pm to Broski
Maybe I’m just tired and have a pitchers mentality when it comes to fielding, but I am like 99% sure Grissom double clutched on the Witt ball and the announcers even said that he was waiting on Olson and needed to just throw it and trust Olson to get there. I said Morton could have caught it, doesn’t mean it was a good throw. And that has nothing to do with his elite arm.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:54 pm to POCKET
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but I am like 99% sure Grissom double clutched on the Witt ball and the announcers even said that he was waiting on Olson
Huh?
I went back and watched it, they said no such thing. The only mention of "waiting" was when Moylan mentioned those types of choppers are a pitcher's worst nightmare because you're just waiting for the ball to come down.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 4/14/23 at 11:09 pm to sorantable
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someone post the murphy conteras stats
I gotchu FAM
Sean Murphy vs William Contreras April 14
Murphy: 1 Walk, 2 Strikeouts
Contreras: 2 Walks, 0 Strikeouts
Posted on 4/14/23 at 11:29 pm to TrussvilleTide
I think we need to add Langeliers to that.
He hit his 3rd homer tonight.
He hit his 3rd homer tonight.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 11:55 pm to Broski
To be fully candid I intended to post the Wild Bill/Murphy thing once as a meme, then people got very angry/in their feelings about it so I just kept doing it
But that is something I'm watching as the season goes along, would Bill+TDA have been almost as productive as Murph+TDA, and how much of a difference is worth giving up Bill with so many years of control plus other prospects?
I was skeptical of the trade in terms of asset allocation, but not of Murphy's talent. I think so far when you factor in the defense I'm happy with it, but it is a thing we will be looking back on in like 5 years to really get a good idea of how it works out.
But that is something I'm watching as the season goes along, would Bill+TDA have been almost as productive as Murph+TDA, and how much of a difference is worth giving up Bill with so many years of control plus other prospects?
I was skeptical of the trade in terms of asset allocation, but not of Murphy's talent. I think so far when you factor in the defense I'm happy with it, but it is a thing we will be looking back on in like 5 years to really get a good idea of how it works out.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:05 am to TrussvilleTide
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Sean Murphy vs William Contreras April 14
Murphy: 1 Walk, 2 Strikeouts
Contreras: 2 Walks, 0 Strikeouts
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:35 am to TrussvilleTide
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would Bill+TDA have been almost as productive as Murph+TDA, and how much of a difference is worth giving up Bill with so many years of control plus other prospects?
I think Murphy wins the straight comparison even with considering the prospects (but I have zero faith in Muller being anything more than a 5th starter, and Salinas and Tarnok will be lucky to be that).
I think the iffy part is comparing TDA and Pina at catcher, and Bill as full time DH, just because Ozuna and Rosario are terrible. But Pina is still injured anyway, so likely not an option.
Overall though, I'm happy with the trade. Murphy will likely be about the same as Bill offensively, and will blow him away defensively obviously.
The Jimenez for Malloy trade was the really dumb trade this off-season, and is looking even dumber with the way Malloy is playing so far. Malloy will likely be ready by mid season and could have potentially fixed our black hole in LF or DH.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 12:47 am to auyushu
Its not so much a "was Murphy worth the price we gave?" question as it is a "was Murphy worth the price we gave when we could have potentially used resources elsewhere?"
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:05 am to TrussvilleTide
Which is a fair question. Though I'm not sure how much value Muller, Salinas, and Tarnok would really have in terms of filling holes, the As are one of the few teams that actually values quantity of controllable assets over quality. Muller could have probably gotten a decent reliever, or been a main piece in a deadline deal though.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 1:06 am
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:08 am to auyushu
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Which is a fair question. Though I'm not sure how much value Muller, Salinas, and Tarnok would really have in terms of filling holes, the As are one of the few teams that actually values quantity of controllable assets over quality. Muller could have probably gotten a decent reliever, or been a main piece in a deadline deal.
I think a few moves back. The only reason we "needed" Murphy is because we lost Langeliers, which ironically is why the A's were willing to part with Murphy.
Said it before, but there's an alternate world out there where we keep Freddie, which means we don't trade away Langeliers for Olson and instead trade Contreras/Pache/Muller/whoever else for a SS this offseason to replace Dansby.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:35 am to Broski
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else for a SS this offseason to replace Dansby.
I literally can't think of a SS that we could have traded for realistically that would be a definite upgrade, all the decent ones are on playoff teams.
I would definitely prefer the alternate world where we keep Freddie and trade Langeliers and Muller for Murphy though. Then we still have Bill for DHing mostly full time.
Though I've never been a believer in the contact skills of Langeliers, and was pissed when we drafted him over Corbin Carroll. I also thought there was a decent chance Langeliers would have been available when we picked Shewmake later with our 2nd pick (which was an obviously idiotic pick at the time, and looks even worse now).
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 1:41 am
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:57 am to auyushu
Dansby went 0-5 with 5 Ks tonight.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 5:45 am to auyushu
Lol I actually have the 2019 draft thread bookmarked because okietiger called Shea a "baby David Ross" on draft night.
Can confirm y'all folks that knew better shat on the Shewmake pick pretty hard.
The devils1545 guy nailed his Shea assessment. Smart dude
Can confirm y'all folks that knew better shat on the Shewmake pick pretty hard.
The devils1545 guy nailed his Shea assessment. Smart dude
Posted on 4/15/23 at 7:31 am to Broski
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but I am like 99% sure Grissom double clutched on the Witt ball and the announcers even said that he was waiting on Olson
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Huh? I went back and watched it, they said no such thing. The only mention of "waiting" was when Moylan mentioned those types of choppers are a pitcher's worst nightmare because you're just waiting for the ball to come down.
??? We watching different broadcasts?
I’ll transcribe it for you.
Gaudin - “Vaughn Grissom with his first opportunity defensively… DOUBLE CLUTCHES, safe. Not sure if he didn’t have a grip on it or what happened there”
Moylin- “I think he was waiting for Matt to get to the base and Bobby Witt Jr. Has got the quickest sprint speed of anybody in the big leagues and you see it play out there. DOUBLE CLUTCH and it’s just too late. The play is to just let it go and trust that Matt is going to get there”
Gaudin- “You talked about it, Bobby Witt is not a guy you can DOUBLE CLUTCH. Sprint speed is 30.4 as you said is the fastest in Major League Baseball”
I only re-watched for a minute or two. Maybe they talked about a high choppers being a nightmare later but what I said is 100% true.
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