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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:04 pm to usc6158
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:04 pm to usc6158
oh no i get that stench. in the current regulatory framework and with the current PR status of these issues, you have to fire Briles. but it seems like people are throwing out a lot of shite that isn't true in the objective. that's why i keep asking those questions
if a football coach pushed an alleged victim to making NO reports, then that's terrible and all the fury of hell should come down on them. but i don't know if there is any such information. i keep asking for it because i'm honestly curious
if a football coach pushed an alleged victim to making NO reports, then that's terrible and all the fury of hell should come down on them. but i don't know if there is any such information. i keep asking for it because i'm honestly curious
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:05 pm to therick711
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So explain Briles' weird-arse infatuation with dragging Chris Pedersen into this?
i already said he had some bad optics. i'm not debating that
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
LINK
Specifically states that they pushed to not report and had improper contact and otherwise screwed with investigations.
start at page 10 for direct findings related to the football program
Specifically states that they pushed to not report and had improper contact and otherwise screwed with investigations.
start at page 10 for direct findings related to the football program
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:06 pm to usc6158
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You really can't see why football staff meeting with potential victims and then not reporting it is devistating and fire-worthy
"Police should have investigated, Briles didn't know anything".
Poor guy, just caught in the wrong place at the wrong time with the University admin being incompetent in the way they handled claims against players within his program. He certainly didn't have any influence over the situation at all, they're just using him as a scapegoat.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:07 pm to Killean
quote:
LINK
Specifically states that they pushed to not report and had improper contact and otherwise screwed with investigations.
Noice.
Summary of Findings and Actions taken (HTML version)
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:08 pm to therick711
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They also took that Boise transfer who was essentially booted for Rape (it was a Jameis situation in Boise supposedly-- only the school and the LEOs didn't play ball and try to bury a credible but not provable allegation).
Then, tried to put the blame on Chris Pedersen by indicating that he failed to tell them why he was let go and that he was adamant about placing SU with Baylor.
Which, was laughable. I mean I'm not going to say Peterson is definitely a great guy-- after it turned out JoePa was basically doing the whole Cardinal covering for priests bit, who knows about anyone-- but his reputation is pretty sterling.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:08 pm to therick711
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So explain Briles' weird-arse infatuation with dragging Chris Pedersen into this? It is the weirdest thing he did in response to all of this.
It's been awhile since I've discussed this but if I remember correctly..
Briles said he talk to Chris Petersen about Sam U before he transferred to Baylor. Briles claims Chris Peterson didn't mention anything about Sam U violence towards women. Briles produces this transfer request form in which the Boise athletic department stated that they had no knowledge of Sam U being in trouble with the law.
Media asked Chris Petersen if he disclosed it to Briles. Petersen says he disclosed everything he needed to disclosed (which didn't really answer the question).
Turns out Sam U had the police called on him for allegedly hitting his GF at the time. Police did not file a report as the GF did not cooperate. Since there was no legal implications it was never on file in the athletic department. Since it wasn't on file in the athletic department it was communicated to Baylor on the transfer request form Baylor sent to Boise asking them to disclose any legal issues the play may be involved in.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:10 pm to Killean
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Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy
exactly why universities should not be involved. this is EXACTLY what i'm talking about
imagine a world where this wasn't considered to be under Title 9. these actors would look 100x worse
then it would be clear interference with a criminal investigation and a legit crime
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:10 pm to yurintroubl
And I'll quote for good measure:
quote:
Baylor failed to take appropriate action to respond to reports of sexual assault and
dating violence reportedly committed by football players. The choices made by football staff
and athletics leadership, in some instances, posed a risk to campus safety and the integrity of the
University. In certain instances, including reports of a sexual assault by multiple football
players, athletics and football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and
dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics.
In those instances, football
coaches or staff met directly with a complainant and/or a parent of a complainant and did not
report the misconduct.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:12 pm to Killean
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Specifically states that they pushed to not report and had improper contact and otherwise screwed with investigations.
shite. This is going to cost the school--rightly-- a lot more than Briles brought in-- that might be enough to trigger Federal Loan dollars being curtailed, at the very least the liability is insane.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:12 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
football personnel affirmatively chose not to report sexual violence and
dating violence to an appropriate administrator outside of athletics.
and how many were not prosecuted by a legitimate policing body? that's a major issue to me
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Like you, i'm most ignorant on the Baylor situation.
were any players who were convicted of a crime (while a BU student) allowed to play for baylor?
But if the sticking point is a cover up of multiple assaults that Briles may have been aware of, isn't asking of any were convicted not really a fair rationale to go by? The whole point of a cover up is to avoid a charge/conviction.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
and how many were not prosecuted by a legitimate policing body? that's a major issue to me
I think the larger issue is did football staff take it upon themselves to not report, then how many victims rolled with the "well they're not going to do anything anyway" and walked away from it.
Part of it too though is stuff like this, where they gave the impression of a University investigation to victims but did not do so:
quote:
Football staff conducted their own untrained internal inquiries, outside of
policy, which improperly discredited complainants and denied them the right to a fair, impartial
and informed investigation, interim measures or processes promised under University policy. In
some cases, internal steps gave the illusion of responsiveness to complainants but failed to
provide a meaningful institutional response under Title IX.
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:15 pm to shel311
quote:
But if the sticking point is a cover up of multiple assaults that Briles may have been aware of, isn't asking of any were convicted not really a fair rationale to go by?
i changed it to indicted a page or 2 later. a much lower standard
quote:
The whole point of a cover up is to avoid a charge/conviction.
ah bu you see that seems to be the distinction
they "covered up" issues relating to university investigations for Title 9 purposes. that is pretty clear
but i don't know if they "covered up" the criminal investigations of any (i'm waiting for that info)
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
did football staff take it upon themselves to not report, then how many victims rolled with the "well they're not going to do anything anyway" and walked away from it.
that's why i keep asking for that information. are there any examples of this?
quote:
Part of it too though is stuff like this, where they gave the impression of a University investigation to victims but did not do so:
again, when you leave it up to universities to do this, then you should expect either end of the spectrum. this is a private body not even subject to FOIA requests. another reason why this should be handled by public policing agencies.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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@RandyScottESPNOne #Baylor accuser had HER athletic scholarship reduced to the point SHE had to leave school.
Lol what a piece of trash Baylor is
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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are there any examples of this?
A screenshot of this in the report has been posted for you a couple times now.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:19 pm to Projectpat
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A screenshot of this in the report has been posted for you a couple times now.
and it fails to establish this data
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:20 pm to MOT
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and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes.
and which cases were actually diverted from the criminal process?
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