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re: Baylor has fired Art Briles
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and it fails to establish this data
So you're just denying that the report is accurate.
I get it, I flip shite as much as anyone over stuff like the UVA case and Duke lacrosse, but this is way, WAY, different. Cosby level shite. This really isn't the wagon to hitch your anti-false claims vendetta up to.
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Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
I guess you would have to ask Pepper Hamilton.
Or do you think he's just making shite up?
Or do you think he's just making shite up?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:24 pm to Projectpat
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So you're just denying that the report is accurate.
no
i'm saying the report doesn't include that data
the report says people associated with the FB team pushed victims not to make criminal reports
it doesn't say if any actually failed to make reports, and if so, how many
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think the larger issue is did football staff take it upon themselves to not report, then how many victims rolled with the "well they're not going to do anything anyway" and walked away from it.
Worse than that--there was one player who assaulted a female soccer player; Baylor let him graduate with no punishment while forcing her to be in classes with him and ultimately running her out of the university.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it doesn't say if any actually failed to make reports, and if so, how many
How many do you require for it to be a problem?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:30 pm to stlslick
How were they worse than UT?
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:30 pm to hendersonshands
Another coach down that LSU fans clamored over to replace Miles.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:31 pm to Quidam65
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Worse than that--there was one player who assaulted a female soccer player; Baylor let him graduate with no punishment while forcing her to be in classes with him and ultimately running her out of the university.
he hadn't been convicted of anything yet
this is a touchy area, but do you punish a person before they've been convicted?
we see the opposite quite commonly, where innocent men are expelled from campus to protect the victim when nothing improper happened. now, when we find out the guy is guilty, it makes it that much easier. but our system has to be built around the assumption that the accused is innocent (which become difficult while protecting possible victims)
it's a very difficult area
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:32 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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How many do you require for it to be a problem?
well the influence is an institutional problem, esp in the current landscape
but to answer your question: one
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:33 pm to hendersonshands
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Art Briles' players are furious Baylor is going to fire him
Well, when you're used to sexually assaulting women and you're no longer allowed to do it I guess they would be mad.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:36 pm to hendersonshands
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ill be an blind idiot over a man i believe in... @CoachArtBriles is a football coach he handles football..
This post was edited on 5/26/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
From my understanding, they're supposed to report it to the local PD if there is evidence of a potential sexual assault but beyond that the University is responsible for providing security, counseling services, and academic help in the wake of a reported assault. According to ESPN and this particular victim, they failed to do anything in response to the assault even though it was between two students and fell under Title IX.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is a touchy area, but do you punish a person before they've been convicted?
we see the opposite quite commonly, where innocent men are expelled from campus to protect the victim when nothing improper happened. now, when we find out the guy is guilty, it makes it that much easier. but our system has to be built around the assumption that the accused is innocent (which become difficult while protecting possible victims)
it's a very difficult area
Agree. Ideally, if someone is arrested for a serious crime against another student (felony-level violence, sexual assault), I guess the solution is to see if some accommodation can be reached, otherwise, they're temporarily removed from campus.
But in the egregious examples, I'm not sure that is a big factor. In Duke and UVA, the universities rallied against the students. It wasn't some administrative, unemotional choice. Professors and administrators sought to crucify students without the facts.
In many others, action is taken before an arrest or even after police decide there is not a basis to proceed. Generally based on bullshite kangaroo tribunals run by the totally incapable schools, as you frequently discuss.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:39 pm to BluegrassBelle
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and fell under Title IX.
i admitted a long time ago the university didn't live up to the regulatory demands of the new interpretation of that law
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:40 pm to hendersonshands
Athletes getting all philosophical just makes me horse laugh. It is like they are repeating a track on a rap song.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:41 pm to sicboy
Lol at those tweets, God got us. Yeah he caught you with your pants down is what happened.
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:42 pm to Pettifogger
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In many others, action is taken before an arrest or even after police decide there is not a basis to proceed. Generally based on bullshite kangaroo tribunals run by the totally incapable schools, as you frequently discuss.
yeah alleged victims avoid legitimate criminal prosecutions because they require too much of the allege victim
under Title 9, unis have developed literal kangaroo courts fearful of being accused of not protecting alleged victims (under Title 9), which means a skewed procedure that is wholly one-sided against the alleged perpetrator. add in the lack of actual policing power (to get records, etc) and it's an untenable situation
on the flip side you have BU, which had biased representative meet with the victims, where they apparently implied they'd handle the investigation (and then didn't). they may have also pushed the alleged victim not to make a criminal report
it's 2 extremes of a fricked up system that needs to be eliminated
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:45 pm to BeYou
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Briles said he talk to Chris Petersen about Sam U
I think the entire narrative changes depending on who placed the call. Your version has Briles calling Pedersen to get background on Sam U, and Pedersen (for whatever reason) didn't give Briles the whole story. I remember Briles portrayed the transfer as a kid that had trouble adjusting to life so far from home, and was essentially homesick and needed a fresh start closer to home.
I think Pedersen stated he reached out & called Briles to provide details and warn Baylor about Sam U. Briles waves a generic transfer form and claims ignorance about his past. Again, if Briles makes the call, then he may be innocent. But if Pedersen reached out to Briles to warn him, then Briles has no excuse and allowed a violent predator onto the Baylor campus
Posted on 5/26/16 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Somehow the u of Arkansas is currently under title IX investigation but Baylor hasn't even been looked at
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