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re: Best NFL player of all Time: Tony Gonzales?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 4:51 am to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 8/4/13 at 4:51 am to Iona Fan Man
cheese and potatoes dude
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Posted on 8/4/13 at 5:25 am to Iona Fan Man
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By his third season, Green led the Chiefs to a 13–3 record in 2003 and was called the "mastermind of the Chiefs' high-powered offense."[38] Even after leading the franchise to its first postseason appearance in six seasons, Chiefs fans had still not figured out whether they loved him or hated him.[38] In 2004, Green threw for 4,591 yards and a league-high 556 passing attempts.[41] Green was selected to two Pro Bowl games in 2003 and 2005.[24][41] Green's 81-game start streak for the Chiefs from 2001–2006 is a franchise record at the position.[42] His 88 career starts for the Chiefs is second behind Dawson.[24] Green is the Chiefs' career leader in passer rating (87.3),[43] average gain per attempt (7.7),[41][42] 300-yard passing games (24),[43] completion percentage (61.94),[43] and completions of 20 or more yards (274).[42][43] He is the only quarterback in Chiefs history to throw a "perfect game" registering a 158.3 passer rating against Detroit on December 14, 2003.[43]
Green was pretty damn good
Posted on 8/4/13 at 5:26 am to bulldog95
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From 2000 to 2006, Gonzalez was the most productive tight end in the NFL. During this time he averaged 79 receptions, 968 yards, and 6.5 touchdowns per season and was elected to the Pro Bowl every year. His best season statistically came in 2004, when he caught an NFL record (for a tight end) 102 passes for 1,258 yards and seven touchdowns. Gonzalez's single-season record of 102 receptions by a tight end stood for 8 years, until it was broken by Jason Witten during the 2012 season.[6]
Posted on 8/4/13 at 5:56 am to Iona Fan Man
You need to account for era.
Rules in the passing game are different now from when Rice was in his prime.
This is also why guys like Welker get overrated by fans.
Rules in the passing game are different now from when Rice was in his prime.
This is also why guys like Welker get overrated by fans.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 7:42 am to Sophandros
Well, Welker just isn't that good...the system makes him appear good
I'm going nowhere near him in fantasy football this season
I'm going nowhere near him in fantasy football this season
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:07 am to bulldog95
Yeah I don't know about the Green Vs Ryan argument but the chiefs offense at that time wasn't something that Gonzales had to overcome... by any stretch.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:20 am to Iona Fan Man
Pretty sure he is the best TE of all time, but I don't see him being the best player of all time.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:24 am to USAF Hart
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Pretty sure he is the best TE of all time, but I don't see him being the best player of all time.
Catching passes is one dimension of being a TE.
Next thing you know, Falcons fans will say Michael Vick is the greatest QB ever because he ran for the most yards.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:25 am to St Augustine
Trent Green was a lot like Josh Freeman last year, he was good in spurts but overall meh..... Granted for the way the rules were at the time he was better but that 13-3 Chiefs team led the league with 32 rushing touchdown (next was Eagles at 23) as Holmes had 27 rushing touchdowns on 1400 yards, he was also leading reciever with 74 catches (Gonzales 71, Kennison 56, Morton 50, and Dante Hall 40)
Trent Green had his best season on a 7-9 Chiefs squad where he completed 66% for 4591 yards 27TD and 17INT.
Trent Green had his best season on a 7-9 Chiefs squad where he completed 66% for 4591 yards 27TD and 17INT.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:54 am to Iona Fan Man
I think comparing a player's stats to the average or typical player at his position is a good metric for argument, and I certainly appreciate your argument for Gonzales as "best".
Football, however, is not as tactically homogenous as other sports, so it would be quite a stretch to declare Gonzales the most impactful or most valuable or greatest. That would be akin to equating pawns to queens on chess boards.
Football, however, is not as tactically homogenous as other sports, so it would be quite a stretch to declare Gonzales the most impactful or most valuable or greatest. That would be akin to equating pawns to queens on chess boards.
This post was edited on 8/4/13 at 8:56 am
Posted on 8/4/13 at 8:55 am to Iona Fan Man
Tony Gonzalez is the best tight end to ever play football. Period. Its not up for discussion. But you can't name a best player of all time. Too many all time greats. The discussion would go on and on and on
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:01 am to USAF Hart
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Pretty sure he is the best TE of all time
Nope
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:07 am to Scatmanjohn12
Then who is?
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:12 am to Scatmanjohn12
Lol you can't just say he isn't the best TE and not list who is
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:22 am to hiltacular
Rob Gronkowski GOAT
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:25 am to Iona Fan Man
This is actually a Lebron-MJ thread. You guys just don't know it yet.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:25 am to wildtigercat93
GOAT partyer maybe.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:29 am to beaver
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Well, Welker just isn't that good...the system makes him appear good
I'm going nowhere near him in fantasy football this season
Smart move Peyton Manning never throws to his slot receiver.
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:32 am to Sophandros
GOAT none the less
Posted on 8/4/13 at 9:37 am to Iona Fan Man
Antonio Gates
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