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Posted on 11/18/20 at 6:25 am to ClientNumber9
Even if you downsize, there’s still be super teams, but instead of a Big 3, it’d be back to the old NBA where they’d be 5 to 6 superstars/HOFers on certain teams/dynasties.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 6:44 am to WB504
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A hard cap or doing away with fully guaranteed contracts would help
why do you think teams wouldn't guarantee contracts for stars? what is the point of this?
even the NFL is starting to guarantee contracts to entice players
Posted on 11/18/20 at 6:46 am to skinnytrees
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The NBA pays so much the whole financial angles of a cap in the first place are out of whack.
The only fix would only let like one person per team make the super star pay.
they've already tried this and it's not working
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Then it drops extremely far down and you can have so many there. And drop down and so many there. Or you can have no super star but lots of star paid players, etc.
impossible. players get a % of total revenue
you're not going to have the elite guys making $100M/year with a bunch of $1M/year guys around him
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:01 am to Muthsera
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Someone explain to me how the NBA is a worse product if we eliminated
Orlando
Atlanta
Charlotte
Phoenix
LA Clippers
Toronto
Milwaukee
Oklahoma City
New Orleans
Utah
Do you really need me to explain why eliminating 10 teams in large cities would hurt the NBA?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:34 am to skinnytrees
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You have been able to pick the 2-4 teams that have any shot of winning before the season even starts for the last forever many years.
You picked the Raptors last year?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:44 am to shel311
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Hard Cap
- No Max salaries
Common sense moves in the right direction
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No draft
And you’d frick it right up
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:28 am to TheeRealCarolina
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And you’d frick it right up
if there is a hard cap with no max salaries, it's not as bad as you think
it wasn't THAT long ago that rookies were signing MASSIVE rookie contracts WITH the draft. imagine the bidding war without one
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
No it’s still a terrible idea especially for basketball and does nothing to fix the team up issues.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:44 am to Ostrich
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I think bigger incentives need to be given to players for staying with the franchise that drafted them.
This already exists... it's called the Supermax contract. But if you are talking longer term than that, then I agree.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:44 am to Muthsera
Wouldn't this make any professional league a better product? In fact it will likely have a bigger impact in football and baseball.
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Someone explain to me how the NBA/NFL/MLB is a worse product if we eliminated
Orlando/ Jacksonville / Tampa
Atlanta
Charlotte / Cincinnati
Phoenix
LA Clippers / 1 LA Team / LA Angels
Toronto / Buffalo
Milwaukee
Oklahoma City / KC Chiefs / KC Royals
New Orleans / NO Saints / StL Cards
Utah / Indy Colts / SD Padres
right now. Just - poof - and those teams all cease to exist. Their players are drafted by the remaining 20 teams in reverse order of finish with the freedom to cut any one player in exchange for a new draftee until all teams finish being constructed. Coaches and GMs all become free agents.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:47 am to TheeRealCarolina
Nobody complained about NBA expansion which allowed for Chicago to take advantage of it on their way to six titles. League still has spread out stars with too many teams. Imagine if players moved by free agency back then instead of only trades.
I think they need to lower the salary cap to $60m Then allow for each team to designate one player to not count towards the cap.
Giannis would get $50m a year and then they can build a good team around him.
Durant would have gotten $50m. Then Irving would not be able to join him unless he wanted about $20m instead of $35m+ If Irving gets $35m then there is zero percent chance of having Harden as well.
I think they need to lower the salary cap to $60m Then allow for each team to designate one player to not count towards the cap.
Giannis would get $50m a year and then they can build a good team around him.
Durant would have gotten $50m. Then Irving would not be able to join him unless he wanted about $20m instead of $35m+ If Irving gets $35m then there is zero percent chance of having Harden as well.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:01 am to ClientNumber9
I think they should eliminate 4 teams. Maybe Cleveland, Minnesota, Charlotte, Sacramento and/or Oklahoma City.
Not necessarily because of the super teams but because some teams are just so terrible. Four to five teams seem to be perpetually tanking each year.
I’d also like to do away with the one and done rule. Go to the baseball model. Guys can go directly to the NBA. But if they don’t, they can’t go to the NBA for 3 years. That makes college ball better and builds in a fan base for some players. I know I always kept up with Shaq and Brandon Bass. I don’t know where a guy like O’Brien or Martin is now and I don’t really care.
Not necessarily because of the super teams but because some teams are just so terrible. Four to five teams seem to be perpetually tanking each year.
I’d also like to do away with the one and done rule. Go to the baseball model. Guys can go directly to the NBA. But if they don’t, they can’t go to the NBA for 3 years. That makes college ball better and builds in a fan base for some players. I know I always kept up with Shaq and Brandon Bass. I don’t know where a guy like O’Brien or Martin is now and I don’t really care.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:14 am to skinnytrees
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You have been able to pick the 2-4 teams that have any shot of winning before the season even starts for the last forever many years.
46% of NBA (BBA) Championships have been won by 2 teams.
5 teams have won 69%.
Pretty laughable. Though it is worth noting that only 4 current teams haven't won a title, and all teams have at least played for a championship. Also, 11 teams have won at least once in the last 30 years.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:46 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I like how teams in some of the biggest and fastest growing metropolitan areas lose their teams but Memphis, San Antonio and Cleveland survive and carry on
I agree with your premise, but the SA/Austin corridor has been one of the fastest growing areas in the country for about a decade.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:15 am to ClientNumber9
Portland
Golden St
LAL
LAC
Dallas
San Antonio
Miami
New York
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Denver
Brooklyn
Detroit
Phoenix
Indiana
Philly
Washington
Houston
Atlanta
That should be about it for NBA teams.
Golden St
LAL
LAC
Dallas
San Antonio
Miami
New York
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Denver
Brooklyn
Detroit
Phoenix
Indiana
Philly
Washington
Houston
Atlanta
That should be about it for NBA teams.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:21 am to TheeRealCarolina
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No it’s still a terrible idea especially for basketball and does nothing to fix the team up issues.
with a hard cap and no max salaries, how would these teams sign the young guys?
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:33 am to ClientNumber9
And you have the number 12 guy on the bench making a million dollars to play like 6 mins a game.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:49 am to Ostrich
quote:When you'd hear Chuck and Kobe talk about it, it was just a culture thing before the modern NBA for superstars to stick it out on "their" teams because joining up with stacked rosters was seen as quitting. So many stars in the 80's-90's stuck it out in organizations that could never quite get over the hump. Reggie Miller has talked about it often. It was a culture of rivalry rather than meeting up to try to create the path of least resistance.
Agree about the problem but disagree on the solution. I think bigger incentives need to be given to players for staying with the franchise that drafted them.
I doubt we get back to that point again. The Kobes and Dirks of the world are a rare breed now.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:20 pm to shel311
They drive ratings for that super team's broadcast, and tank the rating for the other 3/4th of the teams whose fans know before day 1 that they have no chance to contend.
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