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re: ~~~ESPN Preseason Top 25 Released~~~
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:02 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:02 am to H-Town Tiger
Michigan never gets beat up...what's the old adage about Michigan..."you may beat them but you won't beat them up" or out physical them...well, at least before Rich Rod got there.
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Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:03 am to Zamoro10
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With ND's schedule, if they have 3-losses or less when they play USC...that's a quality opponent.
as much as i hate ND, i can agree with that.. BUT, it's very unlikely
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:04 am to dukke v
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I think they beat them both myself. MICH will still be beat up from the Bama game when they play ND. Not sold on MSU this year. BUT we are still talkin about a Kelly coached ND team that will lose at least two games they should win.
The MSU game is in East Lansing in primetime on ABC so I think the Spartans prevail at home.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:05 am to dukke v
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i respect your greatness on this website
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and by greatness, i meant his 230,000+ post count
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:06 am to Zamoro10
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you may beat them but you won't beat them up" or out physical them...well, at least before Rich Rod got there.
CORRECT. This is NOT the Mich from the old days. Bama is at a MUCH higher level than UM as of now. And hey I am a mich fan and i will say they get pounded into submission by Bama.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:06 am to King Joey
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Barkely may be "the real deal"
Just like Sanchez and Leinart? Yea, SC QBs are studs.
Look Barkley is good, but there comes a point when watching Pac12 QBs go up against awful Defenses have to be taken with a grain of salt.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:06 am to Mr. Hangover
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i meant his 230,000+ post count
You mean QUANTITY over quality right??????????????
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:09 am to H-Town Tiger
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take out the word Oregon and replae it with Alabama (or LSU) and you can say the same thing about LSU (or Alabama's) schedule.
lsu will not be favored by two scores against arkansas, south carolina, and possibly auburn or florida
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They are a BCS level team, I know its fashionable to bash them, but playing them is not the same as scheduling Sun Belt or FCS teams.
fashionable to bash them? for as much media attention they get and history that program has (which despite my disdain for them, is VERY impressive), they deserve every amount of criticism that they get..
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They have talent and could be good.
see above, so does SC, Auburn, Florida, Washington (maybe), Arkansas, and MSU
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:10 am to Mr. Hangover
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and don't say ND is good, because they're not
ND is not as talented as USC, especially at WR and QB...but last year they were down 7 in the late third quarter, on the goaline, when dayne crust proceeds to fumble the snap which is scooped up and returned the other way for a score (14 pt swing). they tie that game and the outcome COULD have been totally different. ND does not have top ten talent, but they are top 25 especially when i see teams like michigan state and michigan sitting high on the board.
This post was edited on 5/1/12 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:11 am to rocket31
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dayne crust proceeds to fumble the snap which is scooped up and returned the other way for a score
how many turnovers in the opponents' red zones were returned for TDs last year? 3? 4?
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:13 am to King Joey
Alabama's ntire offense just got drafted by the Browns they'll be lucky to score double digits against Michigan. Alabama is nothing but hype.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah if ND can solve that single issue they'll be a top 15 team without a doubt, possibly in the top 10
ND finished in the top 15 in last years football outsiders poll; one of the most respected quantitative methods in vegas.
LINK
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:18 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Alabama's ntire offense just got drafted by the Browns they'll be lucky to score double digits against Michigan. Alabama is nothing but hype.
you're not very good at this.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:20 am to Mr. Hangover
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Just like Sanchez and Leinart? Yea, SC QBs are studs.
In college they were studs cochise. How Barkley does or projects in the NFL has no impact on USC next season. Or perhaps you think Mingo and Montgomery won't we any good next year since Dorsey and Jackson haven't done well in the pros.
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lsu will not be favored by two scores against arkansas, south carolina, and possibly auburn or florida
Depending on how you define 2 scores, LSU could easily be favored by 8 or more over all those teams. you are letting name brands and SEC bias guide you. The jury is out on Florida and Mushcamp, I don't think they will be very good. Auburn, we play early and who knows how they will do without Gus. USCe we get at home, could be 7 or less. We'll see about Arky, if Petrino was still there, I'd say we would not be favored by more than 7, but we'll see how its goes without him, by the last game, they wheels could have come off by then.
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fashionable to bash them? for as much media attention they get and history that program has (which despite my disdain for them, is VERY impressive), they deserve every amount of criticism that they get..
Yes, its extremely fashionable to bash them (and the Cowboys). None of what you said is relevant to this year. A team can be good and overrated/overexposed.
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so does SC, Auburn, Florida, Washington (maybe), Arkansas, and MSU
Oh I see, when LSU plays UW they have talent, but when USC plays them they suck right?
If you are counting MSU as a good team, then not counting ND proves my point about it being fashionable to bash them. You are not basing your view on the schedule with anything but SEC homerism.
This post was edited on 5/1/12 at 9:22 am
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yep, you're right. Not sure why I completely blanked on 2007.
2007 was only 5 years ago
quote:Yeah, we were around 7/8 (which we've been around several times). But not top 5.
and i think we were pretty high in 2008
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:27 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Alabama's ntire offense just got drafted by the Browns they'll be lucky to score double digits against Michigan. Alabama is nothing but hype.
A shitload of FAIL in this post. Come on dude .you are better than this.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:32 am to secfan123
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Alabama's ntire offense just got drafted by the Browns they'll be lucky to score double digits against Michigan. Alabama is nothing but hype.
Alabama shouldn't even be favored. Alabama is nothing but hype, their roster is shite particularly the offensive side of the ball. Alabama is going to thoroughly embarrass themselves in Dallas when people are excepting a top 5 team and they end up struggling just to get 1st downs.
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:33 am to King Joey
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Yeah, we were around 7/8 (which we've been around several times). But not top 5.
yeah 6/7
not "top 5" but not far from it
and we haven't really been top 5 preseason since b/c we've had serious QB issues
we were top 5 last year in both
2011: 4/4
2010: 16/21
2009: 9/11
2008: 6/7
fwiw, USC's AP rankings
2010: 14
2011: 25
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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so does SC, Auburn, Florida, Washington (maybe), Arkansas, and MSU
was a response to this
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I know its fashionable to bash them, but playing them is not the same as scheduling Sun Belt or FCS teams. They have talent and could be good.
how is my statement incorrect?
those teams are talented and could compete in their respective conferences if they could get their shite together
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None of what you said is relevant to this year. A team can be good and overrated/overexposed.
so we aren't allowed to use past trends to predict future outcomes? FSU gets picked on for choking consistently in this decade, so why can't notre dame?
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You are not basing your view on the schedule with anything but SEC homerism.
SEC homerism? so you don't agree that the SEC is the best conference in america by far? please tell me, when's the last time any team (not from the SEC) won the national championship??
Posted on 5/1/12 at 9:38 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Yes, I do. Please inform me of all the impressive wins SC has racked up in the 2012 season to warrant the #1 ranking?
You realize all those things you described happened last year and not in 2012 right?
Past performance is a really, really big part of predicting future performance (since mostly the same players, coaches and programs will be involved). That has a lot to do with why Ole Miss isn't in many preseason top 10s.
quote:I didn't mock them. I simply pointed out that they gouged the shite out of SC's defense, particularly on the ground, and that SC has lost 3/4s of that defensive line (including a 1st rounder at DE).
That Stanford team you mock finished the regular 11-1, ranked #4.
quote:I didn't "forget" to mention it, I was making the case for why SC should not be expected to be better than every single team in the country. Obviously they had some impressive wins last year (and btw, that impressive road win over Oregon also happened in 2011, not 2012). But their season was not on par with the performances of the top level teams in the county, and there really isn't enough justification (imo) for expecting them to take quantum leaps forward in performance. I'm sure they could, and I'm not discounting the possibility (hell, Auburn did it with way less reason to expect it). I'm just saying that predicting it is a reach at this point that is not supported by reasonable analysis.
You also forgot to mention that USC also beat #5 Oregon on the road
quote:It's not bias, it's completing the picture. Those bad games did happen, and they happened to SC, and most of the guys on that SC team that those losses happened to will be back again this year. Yes, young teams do often improve during the course of a season, but it is also often true that teams do not suddenly become far better from one season to the next. All I'm saying is that SC at #1 is a HUGE jump from where they were last season. And I am counting the early season since the #1 ranking for 2012 will include their whole season of 2012, not just a hot streak at the end (unless we get a playoff, of course). So stumbling early to an Arizona State or Arizona, or anyone else at any point in the season, will almost certainly prevent them from being #1. And there just isn't much reason to expect them not to falter along the way like they did repeatedly last season.
Teams, especially young ones can improve over the corse of the season. Cherry picking a couple of bad games is nothing but bias on your part.
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