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re: Here's why I didn't vote for Bill - Vahe Gregorian
Posted on 1/29/26 at 1:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 1/29/26 at 1:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
I didn’t say it was, but you’re pretty low iq to not see through his bullshite reasoning and nebulous morality
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:10 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
Gregorian first worked for the STL Post Dispatch before moving to KC
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:13 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
He’s an idiot, but at least he owned up to it. Just vote who deserves to be in the most.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:10 pm to 1999
I respect what he did... after I read that and heard his interview tonight on the radio.
His point- Belichick deserves to get in, and he will. He will be on the ballot next year.
In his opinion, those 3 players also deserved to get in (and I'm comfortable in stating I agree with him- I would have guessed that Craig and Greenwood were already in). And the way things are set up, there's a great shot that if they didn't get in, or at least get a lot of votes this time, they may not get on the ballot again, at least for a long time (maybe not before they die).
The problem is simple- you shouldn't have to pick between a great former player who hadn't been voted in yet, and a prominent head coach in his first year of eligibility. Yes, Belichick should be an automatic as a coach. That shouldn't hurt the chances of former players. It shouldn't be "pick one (or three)", it should be "these are the candidates, vote yes/no".
His point- Belichick deserves to get in, and he will. He will be on the ballot next year.
In his opinion, those 3 players also deserved to get in (and I'm comfortable in stating I agree with him- I would have guessed that Craig and Greenwood were already in). And the way things are set up, there's a great shot that if they didn't get in, or at least get a lot of votes this time, they may not get on the ballot again, at least for a long time (maybe not before they die).
The problem is simple- you shouldn't have to pick between a great former player who hadn't been voted in yet, and a prominent head coach in his first year of eligibility. Yes, Belichick should be an automatic as a coach. That shouldn't hurt the chances of former players. It shouldn't be "pick one (or three)", it should be "these are the candidates, vote yes/no".
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:47 am to Scoob
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And the way things are set up, there's a great shot that if they didn't get in, or at least get a lot of votes this time, they may not get on the ballot again, at least for a long time (maybe not before they die).
That is something to think about. IMO this is the reason Dave Parker got tapped by the Veterans Committee for the Baseball Hall of Fame last year when he hadn’t really gotten close before and IMO there were some more worthy candidates ahead of him. They knew his health was precarious … and sadly he died shortly after getting picked … and it’s a bad look to give posthumous inductions.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 7:48 am
Posted on 1/30/26 at 8:07 am to TeddyPadillac
And like Terrell Davis, Roger Craig had a 3 TD performance in SB 19 vs. the Dolphins.
Then in SB 23 vs. the Bengals, he and Rice were the offense for the 49ers. Only 77 of the Niners 469 yards from scrimmage came from someone other than Craig or Rice. Craig contributed 71 yards rushing and 101 yards receiving, and he and Rice were the offense on that final drive, with Taylor and Frank being the only other players to contribute, with one catch each.
Roger Craig seems about as borderline NFL HoF as you can get. I could make an argument for YES or NO, personally. Had two really awesome seasons, one that no one had done before, and came up big for his team in some key moments, especially in the post season. Is it all enough?
Tell you what...if Matt Ryan eventually gets in, then Roger Craig should get in.
Also...I'm still dumbfounded as to how Lester Hayes and Otis Taylor keep getting ignored.
Then in SB 23 vs. the Bengals, he and Rice were the offense for the 49ers. Only 77 of the Niners 469 yards from scrimmage came from someone other than Craig or Rice. Craig contributed 71 yards rushing and 101 yards receiving, and he and Rice were the offense on that final drive, with Taylor and Frank being the only other players to contribute, with one catch each.
Roger Craig seems about as borderline NFL HoF as you can get. I could make an argument for YES or NO, personally. Had two really awesome seasons, one that no one had done before, and came up big for his team in some key moments, especially in the post season. Is it all enough?
Tell you what...if Matt Ryan eventually gets in, then Roger Craig should get in.
Also...I'm still dumbfounded as to how Lester Hayes and Otis Taylor keep getting ignored.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:43 pm to ProjectP2294
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Everyone keeps focusing on who Vahe didn't vote for, but this is the actual point he was trying to make.
No matter what spin Vahe puts on it, he thought Kenny Anderson more deserving of the HOF than Belichick.
I believe he is lying with Spygate because his article implies he’d have voted the same way if the Patriots hadn’t filmed opposing teams.
I’m waiting for the first voter to come clean and say “Spygate was the reason I left Bill off and I resign from the HOF voting committee”. That is the only explanation and consequence that could be respected at this stage.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:26 pm to Geauxldilocks
quote:No, that's not what he is saying.
No matter what spin Vahe puts on it, he thought Kenny Anderson more deserving of the HOF than Belichick.
He's saying he thinks Ken Anderson is deserving of the HOF, and may not get on another ballot because of the way the senior player thing is handled.
In that context, it does matter. It's not a vote against Belichick or anyone else.
The problem, as I put in another post, is that voters shouldn't be having to choose between a recently retired coach, vs players from long ago that didn't get in right away.
You should be able to review former players, and vote for them if you feel they should be in. It's already stacked against them, because the longer it goes, the less you have people who actually saw them play, and someone may get hung up on a pointless statistic.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:38 pm to Scoob
I actually have voted on Halls of Fame. Baseball and Motorsports.
If I was facing a situation where if someone who I sincerely think is deserving could be facing his last go-around on the ballot ... not necessarily Ken Anderson, any player in any sport ... if he doesn't get in this year, period, I could see myself doing that and leaving BB off.
People are just locked onto this thing that BB is such a no-brainer first-ballot choice ... and he is, period, mic drop, discussion closed ... that if someone else forever loses their chance to be considered to get him in first ballot under this wacky system, then tough s**t, they're just collateral damage.
They need to change the rules to allow more than 3 people to get in at the same time.
If I was facing a situation where if someone who I sincerely think is deserving could be facing his last go-around on the ballot ... not necessarily Ken Anderson, any player in any sport ... if he doesn't get in this year, period, I could see myself doing that and leaving BB off.
People are just locked onto this thing that BB is such a no-brainer first-ballot choice ... and he is, period, mic drop, discussion closed ... that if someone else forever loses their chance to be considered to get him in first ballot under this wacky system, then tough s**t, they're just collateral damage.
They need to change the rules to allow more than 3 people to get in at the same time.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:11 pm to InkStainedWretch
I can understand Ken Anderson and Roger Craig still having to be on the “old timers” list to possibly get in.
But LC Greenwood still being left out of the HoF is crazy.
But LC Greenwood still being left out of the HoF is crazy.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 7:55 pm to Scoob
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He's saying he thinks Ken Anderson is deserving of the HOF, and may not get on another ballot because of the way the senior player thing is handled.
I get what he is saying and it’s deeply flawed. Bellicheck will never get in if every voter votes for a player that may “never” get on another ballot. From that perspective Gregorian felt Ken more deserving and voted so. Get him the frick off the HOF committee he’s an idiot.
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