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re: James Bradberry: “It was a holding. I tugged his jersey…”
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:34 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:34 am to ReauxlTide222
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But that doesn’t make this athlete correct. Or, more importantly, make it the correct call.
WTF?
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Posted on 2/13/23 at 6:49 am to buckeye_vol
They're always at least two potential issues with penalties. The first is whether it was a correct call. The second is the consistency with which it is called. The cliche that you can call holding on every play is not that much of an exaggeration. Imagine a baseball umpire that has two completely different strike zones for two different pitchers but the one who gets all the balls called against him is, by the letter of the rule, actually throwing balls.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:12 am to buckeye_vol
Ball was way overthrown
Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:25 am to buckeye_vol
IMO it should have been ruled uncatchable, BUTTT he did hold, twice, on that play. Everyone shows the 2nd one, but the first one on the original cut was probably what they called. Hilarious that people still mad about kneeling think that an entire football league is rigged...
Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:33 am to ReauxlTide222
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Are you ready to debate
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shel311
Posted on 2/13/23 at 7:44 am to Ancient Astronaut
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It was a garbage call.
I like both teams and was enjoying the game until that unnecessary call. Ruined the whole thing.
The player is just being classy.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 7:45 am
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:35 am to N97883
He grabbed him twice
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:38 am to Ingeniero
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Damar Hamlin's body double personally delivered a suitcase full of cash from Epstein Island for Bradberry to say that
Wrong. It was in a pizza box.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:43 am to OU Guy
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But viewers will say otherwise lol. Don’t blame him for trying otherwise he was gettimg a clean release and woulda been able to go catch it
In hindsight, it would have been better to let him score.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 11:52 am to GeauxOCDP
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IMO it should have been ruled uncatchable
Has absolutely nothing to do with defensive holding.
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the first one on the original cut was probably what they called.
This is the one that was flagged. He grabs him in his cut to slow his own momentum, and then again to slow him down again.
Everyone crying over the call would be crying the reverse if that was Chase instead of JuJu and the flag wasn't thrown and the Eagles were to go on and win over the Bengals in the following drive with 2 TO and 1:50 to play.
A whole lot of anti-KC bias from the "We dem"/"Who Dat"/"Who Dey" Louisiana fans.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:06 pm to buckeye_vol
Just what you would expect him to say after the league office talked to him.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:27 pm to Jim Rockford
In fairness to Bradberry, he could have done that in the NFCCG two weeks ago and gotten away with it. All about timing.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 12:28 pm to buckeye_vol
If he said “it wasn’t holding!” would it cost him a game check?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:03 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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If he said “it wasn’t holding!” would it cost him a game check?
Probably not, but it’s not like we have to rely solely on his word anyways, since there is video/photo evidence of a hold. Whether one thinks it should have been called or not, it’s quite indisputable that a hold occurred. So whatever reasons people can argue that it shouldn’t have been called, one reason that cannot be argued is that it didn’t occur. 
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:52 pm to Gaggle
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But it's not the most crushing thing if he's an entertainer and knows the script. You guys really aren't following this. Just watch some wrestling which we know is fake and try to apply your rationale.
How many people are committing felonies and sacrificing the billion dollar golden goose to satisfy the script?
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:55 pm to buckeye_vol
Must have been holding in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd qtr as well.
End of the day you don't throw a flag that decides the game.
End of the day you don't throw a flag that decides the game.
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:15 pm to BFANLC
And you don't hold that can decide a game.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 12:51 am to buckeye_vol
No one believes he thinks that.
Protecting the shield and his future.
Protecting the shield and his future.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:00 am to BFANLC
quote:Yes? I’ve seen lots of people referencing the lack of defensive holding calls earlier in the game, as if there were a bunch that weren’t called, but I’ve yet to see any plays that show that they weren’t calling them. Maybe they missed a bunch, and maybe I just missed the examples of them, but I would think that I would have seen at least one example, let alone multiple to show that this was suddenly called differently from the previous 58 minutes. Regardless, Philly only had 9 (out of 90 penalties) defensive holding calls all season (half of NO’s league-leading 18), so either they got a lot of favorable officiating and/or they don’t hold OFTEN, but still hold occasionally.
Must have been holding in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd qtr as well.
Even then, this seems to imply that it’s better for officials to consistently miss and/or decide to not call penalties they see, than to occasionally not miss one and/or actually call it. Seems odd that being consistently wrong, is better than being occasionally right. And this isn’t like basketball or baseball where there are hundreds of shots or hundreds of pitches in a game, but only one at a time, where it’s obvious when officiating changes and inconsistency is even worse. There were only like 30 KC passing plays, so it’s not like consistency is as easy to gauge.
quote:This even makes less sense to me because if a ref sees a penalty or foul, then whether the ref decides to call it is as much of a “decision” as to not call it. In fact, I would argue not calling it, when an actual foul/penalty was observed by the rule book they’re job is to enforce, because of some situation that caused them to DECIDE not to follow the rule book on their own volition, is more “deciding” the game than actually following the rule book and doing their job as outlined. While more egregious, the refs NOT calling DPI on Rams against Saints in 2019, was one of the most impactful calls or non-calls in history, and if they decided not to call it (rather than just missing it) then their decision was the cause of that impact.
End of the day you don't throw a flag that decides the game.
In this case, I think Olsen’s commentary had a big impact, because despite Mike Pereira saying that the holding might have occurred earlier, Olsen kept discussing how bad the call was based on the 2nd, far more questionable “hold.” This is something I noticed with him earlier in the playoffs, which despite doing a decent job overall, he missed some major parts of a play that even I notice.
Regardless, the fact that the more obvious hold happened first and THEN a 2nd questionable hold occurred, but possibly still technically a hold, seems to me that would make it not a bad call anyways, regardless of situation.
In isolation, you can argue the first shouldn’t have been called because of the situation even though it was clear, and the 2nd shouldn’t have been called because it was more questionable, but they didn’t occur in isolation, so combined, I don’t see how you can say it shouldn’t have been called. One freebie is one thing, but two is a bit different, IMO.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 1:10 am to buckeye_vol
Isn’t contact allowed within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage which this clearly was?
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