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re: Prime Ali vs. Prime Mike Tyson
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:18 am to Boodis Man
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:18 am to Boodis Man
quote:
Prime Ali is just a bad match up for tyson
Prime Ali is a bad match up for anybody.
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Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:35 am to Rankest
Cassius Clay was the GOAT.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 9:40 am to olemc999
quote:
Name Tysons best win
Spinks was his most iconic win.
Berbick was historically significant.
Holmes had the best resume.
Tyson himself says it’s Ruddock.
Spinks was a blown up Cruiserweight
Holmes was an old man
Berbick and Ruddock were nothing burgers.
Tyson boxed in a horrible era of heavyweights.
Had he boxed in the 70's he would have just been another guy.
Ali would have been a nightmare matchup for Tyson.
6'3", reach, speed, and arguably the best chin in heavyweight history.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 11:52 am to All Hat
If we really could have these all time heavyweight matches Ali (Clay) would be the betting favorite against any champion in the history of boxing.
I am not saying he would win every match up, just that he would be favored.
For boxing fans there is a good YouTube channel named Fantasy Fights 2.0 where he matches fighters from different eras, complete with some video highlights, analysis and his prediction of who would win. They are very entertaining. He is knowledgeable and level headed, in my opinion, with his predictions but about 20% of the time I don't agree with his outcome. That is certainly understandable when you are matching up fighters from different eras and guessing how the different styles, power, boxing ability, stamina, chin, determination, etc. would affect the outcome.
Some examples of his Fantasy fights are Corbett vs. Marciano, Fury vs. Foreman (I didn't agree with his choice), Dempsey vs. Johnson, Louis vs. Frazier (didn't agree but this is certainly a 50/50 fight), Usyk vs. Tyson, Hagler vs. Monzon, etc.
He predicted Canelo to beat Crawford in a very close fight, we know how that turned out. Sometimes I think he favors modern boxers slightly more than I would. In my view he doesn't lend enough weight sometimes to the determination, grit and hard life experiences that many of the older fighters had. Those guys were tough!
I am not saying he would win every match up, just that he would be favored.
For boxing fans there is a good YouTube channel named Fantasy Fights 2.0 where he matches fighters from different eras, complete with some video highlights, analysis and his prediction of who would win. They are very entertaining. He is knowledgeable and level headed, in my opinion, with his predictions but about 20% of the time I don't agree with his outcome. That is certainly understandable when you are matching up fighters from different eras and guessing how the different styles, power, boxing ability, stamina, chin, determination, etc. would affect the outcome.
Some examples of his Fantasy fights are Corbett vs. Marciano, Fury vs. Foreman (I didn't agree with his choice), Dempsey vs. Johnson, Louis vs. Frazier (didn't agree but this is certainly a 50/50 fight), Usyk vs. Tyson, Hagler vs. Monzon, etc.
He predicted Canelo to beat Crawford in a very close fight, we know how that turned out. Sometimes I think he favors modern boxers slightly more than I would. In my view he doesn't lend enough weight sometimes to the determination, grit and hard life experiences that many of the older fighters had. Those guys were tough!
Posted on 11/29/25 at 2:16 pm to JackDempsey
Dempsey Ali would be a good one although Ali would outweigh him by 20 lbs or more
Posted on 11/29/25 at 2:58 pm to prplhze2000
Some of the heavyweight matches I wish I could see:
Foreman vs. Liston
Dempsey vs. Marciano
Ali vs. Louis
Frazier vs. Tyson
Johnson vs. Holmes
Foreman vs. Liston
Dempsey vs. Marciano
Ali vs. Louis
Frazier vs. Tyson
Johnson vs. Holmes
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:03 pm to JackDempsey
All those would be superb, but the one I would rather NOT see is prime Ali vs. prime Holmes because I think it would be a real stinkeroo. It would be a jab fest plus I don’t think either of them could hurt the other appreciably.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 6:36 pm to Rankest
Ali
Posted on 11/29/25 at 6:55 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:
Same Holmes who let Spinks beat him. Spinks sucked.
Michael Spinks=
Olympic Gold Medal in Boxing
Undisputed world Light Heavyweight champion
Undisputed world Heavyweight champion
32 professional fights, only loss was to Tyson
Tyson best win was against a LW champ.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:15 pm to olemc999
Spinks dove on the canvas at the starting bell. Tyson was fun to watch but his resume doesn't compare to the greats. Not his fault but still stands.
Ali beats Tyson. He would get frustrated and gas out.
Ali beats Tyson. He would get frustrated and gas out.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:21 pm to grape nutz
Spinks had bad knees by that point and wasn’t the same great fighter, plus he was so intimidated by Tyson the piss was practically running down his legs.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:30 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:
Same Holmes who let Spinks beat him. Spinks sucked.
ETA: who did Holmes beat that was good? Cooney?
You do realize there were 2 Spinks brother fighting back then. Michael, the better and smarter of the two and Leon whose life turned into a trainwreck.
As for "Who did Holmes beat"? Try these:
Earnie Shavers twice
Ken Norton
Gerry Cooney
Tim Whitherspoon
James "Bonecrusher" Smith
"Mercilus" Ray Mercer
All the above were bona-fide heavyweight boxers in their day and the fact all of them were in title fights during their careers says a lot for their talent in the ring.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:32 pm to Hester Carries
after beating Spinks he went=
0 wins vs the HW champs in his era, was KO'd in every match up he had (0-4)
Buster Douglas
George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Mike Moore
Lennox Lewis
0 wins vs the HW champs in his era, was KO'd in every match up he had (0-4)
Buster Douglas
George Foreman
Riddick Bowe
Evander Holyfield
Mike Moore
Lennox Lewis
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:34 pm to Rankest
C Clay
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:45 pm to Rankest
Prime Ali wins but it isn’t an easy win
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:46 pm to Rankest
Ali was clearly the better boxer but if Tyson got him with a clean punch it would be over.
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:50 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
Ali too quick to get hit clean by Tyson
Posted on 11/29/25 at 7:51 pm to JackDempsey
Foreman v. Tyson would be my pick
Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:09 pm to biglego
quote:
Foreman v. Tyson would be my pick
Which Foreman the one that fought Holyfield at age 42, and defeated Moore for the HW title at age 45? Cause Tyson avoided him.
Or Prime Foreman back when Tyson was in diapers?
Posted on 11/29/25 at 8:19 pm to InkStainedWretch
That's a fact. Waited way too long to fight but yes he was way past his prime. And yes pissed himself. That was embarrassing after all the anticipation.
Boxing used to be such a spectacle. Still have great boxers but greed ruined it. Hearns Hagler was on the other day as a reminder.
Boxing used to be such a spectacle. Still have great boxers but greed ruined it. Hearns Hagler was on the other day as a reminder.
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