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re: Regarding that safety call in the Sugar Bowl...
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:50 pm to CamdenTiger
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:50 pm to CamdenTiger
Ok I just thought no matter what it has to be forward progress or this totally changes what teams should do in Arky's situation.
Throw the guy back then let him go, then tackle him again. I don't see how that's fine.
And I'm bitching b/c it was a call that almost cost OSU the game
Throw the guy back then let him go, then tackle him again. I don't see how that's fine.
And I'm bitching b/c it was a call that almost cost OSU the game
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:52 pm to Buckeye06
The guy should have just dropped to the ground the moment he got to the goalline. Forward progress was clearly at the 2 at the time. He kept fighting and was moving his way outside, and then pushed the tackler off him. His fault, not the refs nor Arky's.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:52 pm to bigpapamac
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It was actually the right call since they never stopped forward progress
They pushed him from the 3 yard line to three yards deep in the endzone....How was his forward progress not stopped?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:53 pm to Buckeye06
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Throw the guy back then let him go, then tackle him again. I don't see how that's fine.
Exactly... push someone back 2 to 3 yards, disengage, he takes a step... pounce...
ridiculous... OSU overcame questionable calls
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:53 pm to Buckeye06
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And I'm bitching b/c it was a call that almost cost OSU the game
3 pts and tresselball the second half almost cost OSU the game
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:54 pm to LSUPHILLY72
becuase he broke a tackle and started to move forward again so forward progress not stopped
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:55 pm to nola tiger lsu
that's why they blow the whistle I think it came to late but according to the rule they called the play correctly
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:55 pm to philabuck
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3 pts and tresselball the second half almost cost OSU the game
Safety, False Start that should have been offsides which made it 3rd and 15 instead of 3rd and 5, and bad punt blocking.... along with Tressel ball
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:56 pm to catholictigerfan
So can someone clarify this:
I'm a LB making a tackle on a TE when he gets to the first down marker, i push him behind the marker, then let go of him, wait for him to try and go forward again, and tackle him. Is he short of the 1st down marker? Because stuff like that happens in every game and they always give the first down
I'm a LB making a tackle on a TE when he gets to the first down marker, i push him behind the marker, then let go of him, wait for him to try and go forward again, and tackle him. Is he short of the 1st down marker? Because stuff like that happens in every game and they always give the first down
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:58 pm to Buckeye06
i'm not sure of the exact wording rule I just know its the correct call
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:58 pm to Buckeye06
If that play started at the 20, is it spotted at the 23, or the 18?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:58 pm to Buckeye06
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So every time a guy gets thrown into the endzone the defender should just let him go and have someone else tackle him for a safety?
+10000
Everyone is saying that the correct call was made, and then say that the whistle should have blown before that anyways....so technically the wrong call was made.
This post was edited on 1/5/11 at 12:00 am
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:59 pm to Buckeye06
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I'm a LB making a tackle on a TE when he gets to the first down marker, i push him behind the marker, then let go of him, wait for him to try and go forward again, and tackle him. Is he short of the 1st down marker? Because stuff like that happens in every game and they always give the first down
It's genreally understood that forward progress is a standstill, with an offensive player trying to go forward with one or more defensive players holding him up.
When you start talking about baiting an offensive player, the refs are not dumb.
Stop trying to take an extreme hypothetical that never happens, and will never happen, to justify your nonsense.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:59 pm to taylork37
At this point I'm really not trying to flame I just want to know how that is possibly a correct way to do it. I understand the late whistle thing but the concept seems wrong too
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:00 am to Buckeye06
bad call
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:01 am to nola tiger lsu
quote:And Arky dropped close to 10 very catchable balls - 2 that would have been TDs. Also, the officials called the Arky player down because his wrist was down? Seriously?
Safety, False Start that should have been offsides which made it 3rd and 15 instead of 3rd and 5, and bad punt blocking.... along with Tressel ball
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:01 am to Buckeye06
Just finished watching the game. The end was pretty ugly. Dropped my jaw on the blocked punt. Then laughed when mallett gave it right back.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:02 am to Buckeye06
It was a bad call because they should have blown it dead because his forward progress was probably stopped.
But once they didn't blow it dead, it was absolutely the right call.
But once they didn't blow it dead, it was absolutely the right call.
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:03 am to taylork37
here is the rule
my guess is that becuase the wistle was never blown it wasn't dead, and because he broke the tackle then tried to make progress it was made a safety
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The most forward point of the ball when declared dead between the end lines shall be the determining point in measuring distance gained or lost by either team during any down. The ball always shall be placed with its length axis parallel to the sideline before measuring (A.R. 8-2-1-I-IV) (Exception: When an airborne pass receiver of either team completes a catch inbounds after an opponent has driven him backward and the ball is declared dead at the spot of the catch, the forward progress is where the player received the ball) (Rule 4-1-3-p) (A.R. 5-1-3-I, III, IV and VI, and A.R. 7-3-6-VI).
my guess is that becuase the wistle was never blown it wasn't dead, and because he broke the tackle then tried to make progress it was made a safety
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:04 am to Buckeye06
The timing of blowing the whistle is a judgement call. Forward progress isn't. If the player sheds the tackle, which is what happened by a stiff arm, and tries to advance the ball then forward progress will not be called. Thus, you get a safety.
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