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re: Will the NCAA ever be overthrown?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:58 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 8/6/19 at 12:58 pm to wildtigercat93
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Oh brother this guy stinks
Believe it or not, many athletes need the education. How many people on the major sports teams at a given university make a living playing said sport? Now, throw in golf, volleyball, T and F, gymnastics, softball, etc.
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:00 pm to MOT
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The basis of your entire stupid fricking argument is that the NCAA should be forced to change its rules or abandon its model because the NFL doesn’t offer a developmental league.
And somehow you consider that to be a more stupid argument than "college sports has evolved into a multi-billion dollar industry over the last 10-15 years due to TV contracts but we should stick with the antiquated model of the NCAA that was put into place when there was much less money at play because that's how it's always been and change is too scary for me.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:02 pm to HogX
Don’t like it, go get paid to play football somewhere else.
Where?
Don’t ask me, I’m not playing football.
Uhhhh...
Where?
Don’t ask me, I’m not playing football.
Uhhhh...
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:07 pm to swift
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List these employment opportunities.
I’ll repeat this since you’re having trouble.
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The basis of your entire stupid fricking argument is that the NCAA should be forced to change its rules or abandon its model because the NFL doesn’t offer a developmental league.
It’s not the NCAA’s fault there isn’t a professional intermediary between high school and college.
You’re better off arguing for developmental leagues or club structures in place of collegiate athletics and those killing off the NCAA than you are attempting to make a coherent argument for allowing players to be paid under the existing NCAA structure.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:09 pm to MOT
Are you suffering from amnesia? You stated the following:
Don’t tell me you were just shooting bullshite bullets from the hip. You seem like the kind of guy that’s thought this through.
quote:What are those employment opportunities? Let’s hone in on football.
They are free to seek employment playing their sport outside of the NCAA.
Don’t tell me you were just shooting bullshite bullets from the hip. You seem like the kind of guy that’s thought this through.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:14 pm to swift
They aren’t forced to play in the NCAA, they can absolutely look to play somewhere else.
If the NFL requires them to be of a certain age or experience, then their issue is with the NFL and not the NCAA.
ETA: If enough wanted to go that route wouldn’t the market produce a viable alternative? You’re attempting to turn the NCAA into something that it can’t be.
If the NFL requires them to be of a certain age or experience, then their issue is with the NFL and not the NCAA.
ETA: If enough wanted to go that route wouldn’t the market produce a viable alternative? You’re attempting to turn the NCAA into something that it can’t be.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:16 pm to MOT
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You’re better off arguing for developmental leagues or club structures in place of collegiate athletics and those killing off the NCAA than you are attempting to make a coherent argument for allowing players to be paid under the existing NCAA structure.
You've yet to offer a coherent argument for why they shouldn't be allowed to make money off their likeness. "That's always the way it has been" isn't an argument. "Don't like it, leave" isn't an argument. Those are statements that have nothing to do with the point and designed to avoid actually having to discuss an issue in detail.
If you're concerned about it affecting the competitiveness of college sports by shifting athletes to have more incentive to go to big time programs due to the monetary potential, then sure. That's an actual argument and a decent point.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:25 pm to HogX
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If you're concerned about it affecting the competitiveness of college sports by shifting athletes to have more incentive to go to big time programs due to the monetary potential, then sure. That's an actual argument and a decent point.
That’s one of the basic fundamentals of the argument and a primary reason the NCAA has the rule to begin with. I assumed everyone was aware of that.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:30 pm to HogX
quote:Don’t hold your breath.
You've yet to offer a coherent argument for why they shouldn't be allowed to make money off their likeness.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:30 pm to swift
Can’t continue discussion after realizing his true argument is against the NFL and not the NCAA.
ETA: Your argument would be better if you said the NCAA and NFL have an under the table agreement so that they both benefit in the end. That’s plausible and would give more ammo to the “NCAA is a big bad meanie” angle.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:33 pm to MOT
You said they are free to pursue football employment elsewhere.
And can’t name a single one.
And can’t name a single one.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:34 pm to MOT
quote:Did that really need to be stated?
Your argument would be better if you said the NCAA and NFL have an under the table agreement so that they both benefit in the end.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:36 pm to swift
They are 
Is there some kind of law or rule that states they must play in the NCAA?
Is there some kind of law or rule that states they must play in the NCAA?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:37 pm to MOT
Again, can you list the football opportunities?
If a football player decides he doesn’t want to deal with NCAA’s bullshite and wants to play pro ball somewhere, what are his options?
ETA: I can hear you furiously Googling over there.
If a football player decides he doesn’t want to deal with NCAA’s bullshite and wants to play pro ball somewhere, what are his options?
ETA: I can hear you furiously Googling over there.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:45 pm to MOT
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That’s one of the basic fundamentals of the argument and a primary reason the NCAA has the rule to begin with. I assumed everyone was aware of that.
Cool, I'll spot you an argument point. Now to refute that: college football is no longer the regional sport it used to be. There was a time when signing with the blue bloods of the world was the only way a player would ultimately get nation-wide exposure.
Now with 24/7 coverage from various media outlets, the script has flipped. You can look at guys like Ed Oliver. He went to Houston but still could have easily made boatloads of money off his likeness if allowed even without going to an elite program. That wouldn't have been possible in the days that those rules were made. So I personally don't think that's a valid argument anymore when it comes to player likeness.
A player stipend, on the other hand, I feel plays heavily into the hands of more profitable programs and could actually cause competitive issues depending on how it was implemented. So I'm much more skeptical about that.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:49 pm to HogX
The easiest, most hands-off way for NCAA athletes to get paid is to let them profit off of their likeness.
I don’t see the downside.
There are already countless reasons to go to the big time program - better coaching, more exposure, higher draft potential, better “accommodations,” etc etc etc.
But this would be the straw that broke the camel’s back? This will be the reason players choose Alabama and tOSU over the smaller schools? I don’t buy it. Competitive balance is a laughable reason against allowing players to profit off their likeness.
I don’t see the downside.
There are already countless reasons to go to the big time program - better coaching, more exposure, higher draft potential, better “accommodations,” etc etc etc.
But this would be the straw that broke the camel’s back? This will be the reason players choose Alabama and tOSU over the smaller schools? I don’t buy it. Competitive balance is a laughable reason against allowing players to profit off their likeness.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:50 pm to swift
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The easiest, most hands-off way for NCAA athletes to get paid is to let them profit off of their likeness.
I don’t see the downside.
I struggle to find one myself. And on top of that, we could get NCAA Football games back and the world can return to normalcy.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 1:54 pm to arcalades
The NCAA is too powerful. The money is controlling everything. Coaches, agents, the f a rm system for pro sports. Everbody winning and getting paid except the athletes.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:54 pm to HogX
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You've yet to offer a coherent argument for why they shouldn't be allowed to make money off their likeness.
Because they have entered into an agreement not to when they join a NCAA team.
And as long as they are on that team they have to honor that agreement or leave the team.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 8:57 pm
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