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re: Andor (Disney+) Season Thread
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:17 am to Dr RC
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:17 am to Dr RC
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I still don't get why that bell needs to be rung by a human hammer brother and can't be hit by either a droid or just be a loud speaker. Seems like a waste of a paycheck to have a guy to ring a bell.
Because Human Lives Matter.
The music is a feeling and that is something a droid cannot do.
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:24 am to Dr RC
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I still don't get why that bell needs to be rung by a human hammer brother and can't be hit by either a droid or just be a loud speaker. Seems like a waste of a paycheck to have a guy to ring a bell.
He took it rather seriously. I expect it was an honor. He also was part of the early warning system the town had with regards to empire activity. I expect he also had another primary job.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:27 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Sorry, I meant Saw had already rescued her, not Cassian.
That would also make for a great series following Saw.
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But Saw knew Galen Erso and obviously had a strong connection to him as he made sure he would save Jyn, so he had to have had some information as to what the Empire was making Galen do right?
Based on what has been produced no. Once Saw rescued her as a child he never saw her father again and Galen seem to keep everything on the down low to stay away. In the Ghost of Geonosis SW episode they go to Geonosis and find it wiped out all for one Geonosian who is protecting a queen egg. They let him go in the end so that is species does not go extinct. The Death Star was originally being built there but they moved it for security reasons and the Empire tried to eradicate the whole planet of life to cover it up. Saw and the Ghost crew found canisters of poison gas used to kill the Geonosians. When the one tried to tell them about the Death Star he drew a pic in the dirt but they thought it meant the poison because the pic looked like the canisters but it was the Death Star.
They left having no clue
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Man, still really like the show, but I guess I’m the only one who was a little bummed with that finale. I get that the entire thing couldn’t be wrapped up, but I guess I expected soooome atleast minor resolution in one of the storylines. We got everyone together in the same place for the first time ever, and then they all basically just left without anything being resolved?
Idk, let me a bit underwhelmed, but still an awesome show overall!
Idk, let me a bit underwhelmed, but still an awesome show overall!
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:53 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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We got everyone together in the same place for the first time ever, and then they all basically just left without anything being resolved?
I’m not sure what you mean
- Bix was rescued
- maarva’s speech that summed up the decision to rebel, and started a town rebellion, sparking wider rebellion
- Andor made the decision to commit fully to the rebellion, and to be Luthen’s weapon
- Syril rescued Dedra and got in her good graces. He got his self respect back and the respect of his Sergeant.
- Kreegyr and co got massacred, ensuring the informant stayed secret
- Mon Mothma followed through on her deal with the mobster
- mon Mothma set up her husband with the ISB. Both these actions made her free to continue to finance the rebellion
- we found out what the prisoners were building
- all the storylines from season 1 came to fruition, leaving open season 2 to explore the growing rebellion over the next several years, and Andor becoming like Luthen, as he was when we meet him in Rogue One
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:09 pm to NolaLovingClemsonFan
Agreed! It’s okay to say you liked the show but that the finale was a little disappointing
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:26 pm to MRF
I thought the finale did pretty good at not leaving any severe cliff hangers while also leaving enough plots open to have good places to pick up in season 2.
I thought it was a bit action heavy, but the action was well done and the fact that the series invested so heavily in characterization and plot prior to the finale justified a action centric final.
I thought it was a bit action heavy, but the action was well done and the fact that the series invested so heavily in characterization and plot prior to the finale justified a action centric final.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:14 pm to TideWarrior
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I'm talking about the actual gangster; if he's truly connected he'll know ol' boy isn't blowing that much gambling. He'd probably perpetuate that myth to keep things moving, but would also dig deeper to figure out where it's really going. From his point of view, it would be worthwhile to have a senator in a compromised position.
He is a gangster and could care less.
Being a black market gangster in a dictatorship is a pretty lucrative position, you would have a lot of mid-tier bureaucrats on your payroll. You get them some of the goodies that otherwise only the top guys get, and in return you operate with no real concern of being shut down.
These are the guys that quietly get filthy rich in that type of government.
But get yourself tied to funding anti-government terrorists, and you're a good candidate for execution.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 6:56 am to Scoob
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Being a black market gangster in a dictatorship is a pretty lucrative position, you would have a lot of mid-tier bureaucrats on your payroll. You get them some of the goodies that otherwise only the top guys get, and in return you operate with no real concern of being shut down.
These are the guys that quietly get filthy rich in that type of government.
He is also a gangster like so many others in every time period that is desperate and every genre that wants to elevate his position beyond that of a gangster. Yes he may have some power and influence over mid-tier bureaucrats but his real ambition is to be looked at as an equal by those who are really in charge. To do that he has to be in a circle like Mon Motha's family. Hence why the only thing he asked for in return was the match of her daughter to his son.
This is classic writing for his type of character.
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But get yourself tied to funding anti-government terrorists, and you're a good candidate for execution.
You do realize he is a notorious gangster from their home planet Chandrila who more likely is making his riches from supporting the rebellion. Selling weapons and supplies. The planet was a safe haven for the rebellion and after the destruction of the first Death Start became the capital of the New Republic.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:04 am to NolaLovingClemsonFan
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We got everyone together in the same place for the first time ever, and then they all basically just left without anything being resolved?
I think the main plot of the season was resolved. The season started off with the ISB along with the Empire believing their was no threat from a rebellion. That things taking place were just small random acts not connected for a greater cause.
Syril believed Andor was a bigger threat than believed and risked his career over it. Dedra believed they had evidence that the rebellion was a true concern and the acts that were being investigated were connected and more organized than the Empire along with those in charge wanted to believe. Almost like the arrogance of the Jedi prior to the Empire blinded by what was actually going on.
The finale proved what a few believed and now the Empire will see the rebellion as a real threat. I think you could see it in the eyes of Luthen when he saw what was happening. Who wanted everything to stay on the down low. Why he allowed Kreegyr to get killed and fall for the trap. Luthen did not want the rebellion to be fully exposed but now there is no turning back.
If next season continues with the writing for this season we are going to be in for a great ride.
This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 7:14 am
Posted on 11/26/22 at 5:16 pm to TimmyTigah
I think it went to show how Andor is always 1 step ahead of everyone (except when he's out to buy peezos) and is almost impossible to corner. Luthen finally saw his true value at the end and will bring him deep into the rebellion.
ETA for the record, I think an overlooked small bit to the end that was powerful to me was after Cassian told Luthen to bring him in, and the camera zooms in on him and he has this brief moment where he closes his eyes, looks down, and you can feel everything that Cassian has been through to bring him to this point. That hit hard.
ETA for the record, I think an overlooked small bit to the end that was powerful to me was after Cassian told Luthen to bring him in, and the camera zooms in on him and he has this brief moment where he closes his eyes, looks down, and you can feel everything that Cassian has been through to bring him to this point. That hit hard.
This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 11/27/22 at 2:52 pm to sicboy
Just finished watching Rogue One again.
Andor says upon sending the Death Star plans from Scarif: “Do you think anybody’s listening?”
Mon Mothma upon learning that Andor and co have assaulted Scarif, gives just the slightest hint of a smile.
The way the show and movie go together are just perfect.
Andor says upon sending the Death Star plans from Scarif: “Do you think anybody’s listening?”
Mon Mothma upon learning that Andor and co have assaulted Scarif, gives just the slightest hint of a smile.
The way the show and movie go together are just perfect.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 3:17 pm to MRF
Luthen when giving Andor the kyber crystal: “worth 50,000 on the market. Just know that it will always be worth more to me.” Yeah he’s definitely an ex Jedi.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 9:27 am to MRF
So we were still in a Star Wars fix and the wife suggested we just finish Obi-Wan Kenobi (we had only watched the first 2 episodes), and my word that's a load of garbage. Andor might have ruined me on Star Wars content going forward. Mandalorian might be the only other redeeming series.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 10:01 am to LSUtoTulaneLaw
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It’s the story of sacrifices that people make for a cause they believe in. Awesome stuff.
It will probably get banned in China and Brazil for this reason.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 1:20 pm to PsychTiger
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It will probably get banned in China and Brazil for this reason.
Yeah. I would think that a show about a rebellion against an authoritarian regime would be the last think a dictatorship like China (and Russia, etc) would want to be shown to its citizens.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 2:26 pm to sicboy
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So we were still in a Star Wars fix and the wife suggested we just finish Obi-Wan Kenobi (we had only watched the first 2 episodes), and my word that's a load of garbage. Andor might have ruined me on Star Wars content going forward. Mandalorian might be the only other redeeming series.
I haven’t seen any of Obi Wan. I plan to keep it that way.
Imagine if Tony Gilroy had been involved in the sequel trilogy. I love Mandalorian, for the most part, but it isn’t as good as Andor or Rogue One. I doubt anything else will be.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:17 am to MRF
Rewatching Andor and noticed a few things. In regards to speculation of what Luthen had that some believe he displayed a hilt to a light saber but in episode 3 when he landed on Ferrix he had it out and extended to what appears to be some sort of baton.
Also the story on Kenari reminds me of Geonosis. It was rich in valuable mineral deposits and believed the exploitation of these resources led to environmental devastation stemming from a large-scale mining operations. It was labeled toxic as a result of the disaster and placed under Imperial Prohibition, which prevented anyone from landing on the planet's surface.
Just like Geonosis the Empire placed basically a no landing on it to cover up what they were doing. I will assume the minerals was another resource for building the Death Star.
In episode 4 we here the ISB mention resources(extra security) being allocated to Skariff for a large construction project. It appears that even the ISB does not know what is going on in regards to the Death Star.
Also the story on Kenari reminds me of Geonosis. It was rich in valuable mineral deposits and believed the exploitation of these resources led to environmental devastation stemming from a large-scale mining operations. It was labeled toxic as a result of the disaster and placed under Imperial Prohibition, which prevented anyone from landing on the planet's surface.
Just like Geonosis the Empire placed basically a no landing on it to cover up what they were doing. I will assume the minerals was another resource for building the Death Star.
In episode 4 we here the ISB mention resources(extra security) being allocated to Skariff for a large construction project. It appears that even the ISB does not know what is going on in regards to the Death Star.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 11:09 am to TideWarrior
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Rewatching Andor and noticed a few things. In regards to speculation of what Luthen had that some believe he displayed a hilt to a light saber but in episode 3 when he landed on Ferrix he had it out and extended to what appears to be some sort of baton.
My theory is it USED to be a light saber hilt but he modified it to the baton. The kyber crystal he gives to Andor was from his old light saber. I feel that at some point he turned away from the ways of the Jedi, maybe feeling they couldn't do enough per their code, but he still holds all of that for sentimental reasons or as a reminder of his true nature.
Also, I feel he transitioned a few times in terms of what he felt about Andor. When he first meets him, he's hopeful that he'll realize his true fight will always be against the Empire and not just self preservation. When Cassian bails on the crew after the raid, Luthen realizes that didn't happen and he was just after the payday, and now knows he's a liability if ever caught, hence the hit called on him (I had earlier maintained that Luthen didn't necessarily want Andor killed and that Kleya escalated that on her own). At the end of "Rix Road" when Andor confronts Luthen and offers him his life, one way or the other, Luthen's smile is "yes, he finally arrived at what I knew was in him". Andor had to go through hell and back to reach the point of being completely bought in, something Luthen probably went through himself.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 12:04 pm to sicboy
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My theory is it USED to be a light saber hilt but he modified it to the baton. The kyber crystal he gives to Andor was from his old light saber. I feel that at some point he turned away from the ways of the Jedi, maybe feeling they couldn't do enough per their code, but he still holds all of that for sentimental reasons or as a reminder of his true nature.
I could see that and but I think if he is a Jedi he is a gray Jedi as he has demonstrated he does not live the code of what we know as Jedi. Killing for the greater good is a great example of that. As mentioned before the gray Jedi believed they could balance the line between the light and the dark side of the force. They would not be lured into the dark side. They thought the ways of the Jedi Counsel were to extreme. Really no different than that of the one Mandalorian sect that was so strict in following a specific path.
I hope if he is a Jedi he is a gray one which will a whole new aspect of them. One that really has not been touch on except in the EU and/or Old Republic.
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