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re: Battle: Los Angeles
Posted on 3/13/11 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/13/11 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if they truly had a recon team looking for this shite, it would take retards not to realize that the one thing that was 100x bigger than any other part of the invasion force MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN that command center they were seeking
And what if it was assembled by a bunch of smaller ships, that individually flew underground, which is why it broke apart so easily...it wasn't solidly built
It didn't have to be something that obviously floated down.
Remember, they didn't have the drones air support from the get go.
There was some reason why there was the delay...
This post was edited on 3/13/11 at 3:24 pm
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but the final scene is a direct rip off of fricking black hawk down
I fail to see how any part of this movie was a rip off of black hawk down other than there were helicopters and surrounded U.S. military.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 3:40 pm to TigerDeacon
I think he means the scene where nantz is grabbing ammo and they all start reloading. Its similar to the end of BHD where hoot is grabbing a couple bites and starts getting ammo and eversman asks him what he's doing and he says there's still men out there so eversman starts reloading too.
I don't feel like just because BHD did it, no other movie can do it. But it is a similar scene.
I also thought the C&C thing was put together underground. That's just the thought I had while watching it.
I liked it overall. It was a good popcorn flick, and very entertaining.
I don't feel like just because BHD did it, no other movie can do it. But it is a similar scene.
I also thought the C&C thing was put together underground. That's just the thought I had while watching it.
I liked it overall. It was a good popcorn flick, and very entertaining.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 4:17 pm to stuckintexas
i liked it also..
i dont know how the thing got underground, but i dont think it was put together there.. the Air Force had the images of it early on.. it could have had pieces added to it while underground, i suppose..
none of that mattered to me though, i thought it was great, and everyone in the theater seemed to love it.. even with the BHD rip off at the end..
i dont know how the thing got underground, but i dont think it was put together there.. the Air Force had the images of it early on.. it could have had pieces added to it while underground, i suppose..
none of that mattered to me though, i thought it was great, and everyone in the theater seemed to love it.. even with the BHD rip off at the end..
Posted on 3/13/11 at 5:24 pm to Xenophon
Okay... I just got back from seeing it.
I think a lot of the negative criticism of this movie is undue. I enjoyed it.
There are more than a few lines in the script I would have deleted or changed, but really, that's about it. It's not like they had Aaron Sorkin writing for them.
The action was good and there's plenty to look at. Stuff gets blown up... check. Aliens... heroism... check.
I didn't feel like my intelligence was insulted by it.
But you know who did feel that way? In the corridor after the movie, I saw a King Nerd and his nerdling brood talking about it.
"I dunno... there were too many inconsistencies," he said, "Like if they have the technology to come all the way across the universe and five guys can just walk up to their command center..."
And his baby nerds were nodding their heads in agreement...
And I just thought... thank God I'm not them. Being able to see the forest, without being hung up on the trees... is a real gift sometimes.
I think a lot of the negative criticism of this movie is undue. I enjoyed it.
There are more than a few lines in the script I would have deleted or changed, but really, that's about it. It's not like they had Aaron Sorkin writing for them.
The action was good and there's plenty to look at. Stuff gets blown up... check. Aliens... heroism... check.
I didn't feel like my intelligence was insulted by it.
But you know who did feel that way? In the corridor after the movie, I saw a King Nerd and his nerdling brood talking about it.
"I dunno... there were too many inconsistencies," he said, "Like if they have the technology to come all the way across the universe and five guys can just walk up to their command center..."
And his baby nerds were nodding their heads in agreement...
And I just thought... thank God I'm not them. Being able to see the forest, without being hung up on the trees... is a real gift sometimes.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 5:31 pm to TigerDeacon
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I fail to see how any part of this movie was a rip off of black hawk down
the perspective of the movie was similar to BHD
but the final scene? C'MON
***SPOILERS***
spent up all night accomplishing the impossible mission (which both involve recovery of persons and delivering them to safety). while eating, 1 guy is like, "ok i'm going back out" against the protests of others
COME ON
Posted on 3/13/11 at 5:37 pm to SpqrTiger
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The action was good and there's plenty to look at.
you didn't mind how horribly "close up" the action was, preventing you from fully gaining scope of the action?
they left a lot of the action off the camera due to the choice to make this a practice in zooming in on battle scenes
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Like if they have the technology to come all the way across the universe and five guys can just walk up to their command center.
i thought about this, but if there were no humans left, then i don't see why they'd devote so many resources to protecting it when they had so much else to do
the lack of a giant invasion force was a positive. made possible victory more realistic
Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you didn't mind how horribly "close up" the action was, preventing you from fully gaining scope of the action?
Normally this is a problem for me. I really don't like using "shaky cam" in battle scenes because I like to see the action. But in this case, I feel that it actually was in context, considering the modern, rapid pace of urban combat and the explosions and chaos it causes.
A bad example of it is its use in the opening battle scene of Gladiator. That's using it to make it easier to edit. I feel it's out of context there.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 7:56 pm to SpqrTiger
using it even as the dominant shooting choice does fall in line with that. i'm just tired of that whole visual philosophy
and it seemed like they NEVER showed the scope in BLA
even in the freeway scene. it got confusing where everything was located at times.
and while the modern combat strategy does lend itself to the closeup, we are talking about a movie with a single platoon out in the middle of an abandonned city by their lonesome. it would have been really cool to show their isolation from our world today
and it seemed like they NEVER showed the scope in BLA
even in the freeway scene. it got confusing where everything was located at times.
and while the modern combat strategy does lend itself to the closeup, we are talking about a movie with a single platoon out in the middle of an abandonned city by their lonesome. it would have been really cool to show their isolation from our world today
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
I saw about ten minutes and thought it was horrible. It looked so cheap I quit watching.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:53 pm to DA
Interesting, I must have this confused with another movie. The movie I watched was on the Sci-fi channel, not at theaters.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 9:28 pm to DA
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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having an alien force with that 1 weakness that has to be figured out to save mankind
having aliens who are impossible to kill without finding the trick
having aliens use our own technology against us, and we don't gain a tactical advantage until this absurdly simple issue is discovered
Absolutely none of these apply to Battle Los Angeles.
They didn't have just one weakness, they had many of them. Hell the only reason why they caused so much initial damage was because of the element of surprise. Kinda like Pearl Harbor only we've never seen these guys before.
These aliens were very killable. Hell they even called out their biggest weakness in the movie.
What of our own technology did they use against us? Water? really? Dude you just hating blindly and are way off base. Pretty sure we would have begun to even up that battle even if we didn't find their command centers. Besides, information like that generally becomes available as a battle escalates. You figure out your opponents weaknesses and start exploiting them. It's not like they were invincible and literally had one little teeny tiny weakness (Death Star) or were bukkaked by a computer virus/nuked mothership (Independence Day).
You went in hating the movie/looking for flaws and that's all. You came out with a negative opinion of it and even then you don't have any organized thoughts to back your hatred of it.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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eh, it really doesn't make sense considering the size of the thing
there is no logical way our forces wouldn't have noticed this building-sized piece of machinery being put into the ground
if they truly had a recon team looking for this shite, it would take retards not to realize that the one thing that was 100x bigger than any other part of the invasion force MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN that command center they were seeking
i'm not nit picking this to detract from the movie. there will almost always be some stupid plot hole in these types of movies. but just b/c it doesn't take away from the movie doesn't mean it's not a plot hole
It wasn't that huge.
Hell it wasn't even the biggest thing they brought with them - those big water drill/suckerer uppers were FAR bigger.
Our forces didn't notice this because as soon as these bad boys landed they commenced fricking shite up. When someone is shooting at you you aren't going to look behind you and do recon work. You are going to shoot back or get the frick out of there.
Michelle Rodriguez's character was a part of a recon team that was sent out to find their command hub, but like she said, they got all fricked up before they could find out much.
As I've said, it wasn't a plothole because it wasn't meant to occur on screen. We followed around 1 small group of soldiers who didn't experience the full scope of the battle. They weren't there when the command center was placed where it was placed so why should they audience have seen it? Should they have just randomly cut away from us following that group of troops just to show the command center landing and then go right back to the troops? Would have made no damn sense.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and it seemed like they NEVER showed the scope in BLA
They did well in this regard considering you were following one group of soldiers on their mission.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:39 am to GamecockAlum
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What of our own technology did they use against us?
Pretty sure that he is referring to the radio targeting.
Which is still stupid, because that isn't a good example of "using technology against us in a cliche way"
Hell, we do that. Its standard military doctrine to follow the radio signals to locate and track enemy assets.
Had they didn't do that....folks like SFP would have been talking about how it was absurd that the aliens didn't take advantage of humans not being radio silent....
Posted on 3/14/11 at 2:10 am to Volvagia
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 2:11 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:45 pm to Volvagia
One thing that I think most people missed was that this wasn't necessarily an attempt to take over the world. It was a resource raid. They were here for the water and it was even mentioned in the movie that sea levels were falling (which when you think about it, how many huge ships would it take to make the sea levels fall that dramantically in one day?
Nothing was shown as to whether they were attempting to use people for food as they always seemed to shoot people and landed close to highly populated areas in an attempt to kill as many people as possible. It seemed they were just trying to knock humans back on their heals enough to suck the world dry. Tie up military forces trying to protect humans while deflecting from the real objective.
In the end, a single squad of Marines, cut off from their lines, are not going to understand what is going on. In BHD, they were going back to try to find their buddies. In this movie, they were going back to defend their world and kill the aliens. That involves reloading and resupplying . . . not sure how else you show that.
Nothing was shown as to whether they were attempting to use people for food as they always seemed to shoot people and landed close to highly populated areas in an attempt to kill as many people as possible. It seemed they were just trying to knock humans back on their heals enough to suck the world dry. Tie up military forces trying to protect humans while deflecting from the real objective.
In the end, a single squad of Marines, cut off from their lines, are not going to understand what is going on. In BHD, they were going back to try to find their buddies. In this movie, they were going back to defend their world and kill the aliens. That involves reloading and resupplying . . . not sure how else you show that.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 12:59 pm to GamecockAlum
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These aliens were very killable.
that's what i though initially
maybe you missed the 4 minutes on screen of 2-face disecting the alien trying to find that weakness (TO THE RIGHT OF THE HEART!)
if you didn't, please look for it on re-watch
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What of our own technology did they use against us? Water? really?
uh, radios
maybe you missed it, but there was a scene when our super hero figured out they were using our radio waves to analyze our tactics. he had everybody turn the radios off, then actually made a BOMB out of it.
if you didn't catch it, please look for it on re-watch
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It's not like they were invincible and literally had one little teeny tiny weakness
i'd call that command center death star-esque
or it's at least, "SHOOT THE ALIENS IN THEIR SHIP'S shite HOLE AFTER RANDY QUAID SHOWED US HOW TO!"
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You went in hating the movie/looking for flaws and that's all
not true at all
i wouldn't do such a thing on a silly movie if that movie didn't instill hope in me while watching
the beginning of teh battle did just that. i thought it would be original without those things. but it devolved into your standard alien invasion movie
Posted on 3/14/11 at 1:02 pm to GamecockAlum
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Our forces didn't notice this because as soon as these bad boys landed they commenced fricking shite up.
this thing was the size of a small office building, and we had jets, helicopters, and troops on the ground all over the area
being built underground makes sense. your theory does not
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Michelle Rodriguez's character was a part of a recon team that was sent out to find their command hub, but like she said, they got all fricked up before they could find out much.
ok?
so no plane flew over that area again?
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They weren't there when the command center was placed where it was placed so why should they audience have seen it?
it's just about logic
had that command center been the size of a tank, nobody would say shite
the director wanted some epic piece of machinery, and the logic died with that desire
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